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<moot> that email just went out to you all, but is adapted from essentially the same exact email they got a few weeks ago
<moot> that is indeed your nightmare and my own because it would mean that someone has access to my harddrive
<XXX> So it is only you who will have access to this information?
<XXX> I am fine with this, but not fine with uploading a pic to the server. I'd rather use encrypted email for this stuff
<moot> unless i have a legal reason/requirement to share it, that's the plan
<XXX> have you considered putting it into disconnected storage that would only be accessed if needed?
<moot> my local harddisk is that
<moot> the information is stored on the server while the counter-signature is pending, but then deleted
<moot> (i need to counter-sign it)
<XXX> Okay. I rest a little easier based on that. Could you give us an exmaple of what kind fo legal requirements would be necessary to share this information?
<moot> it will generate a PDF and email it to you
<moot> so you have a copy for your own records
<XXX> but that kinda is the weak link in the whole thing, isn't it? The having it on the server for a bit, I mean
<moot> law enforcement request, our lawyers needing it for some reason, me enforcing the agreement against you for you violating it
<XXX> if it's on your hard disk, it's not really "cold data storage," which is usually offline and needs to be explicitly brought online
<moot> unfortunately it's the best solution we have
<moot> i suppose i could store them in an encrypted container on my harddrive
<moot> i'll do that
<XXX> http://searchsolidstatestorage.techtarget.com/news/2240214450/Solid-state-technology-for-cold-storage-Facebook-thinks-its-possible
<XXX> usually used for large backups
<XXX> amazon glacier is a cloud solution that is this, but probably wouldn't work for this situation
<XXX> Rodger that moots. I pray that this information never gets leaked. Just the fact that there could very well be a list of names of people who do this "job" would be tanatilizing to anyone with malicious intent towards our team.
<XXX> aw man, the only thing that sucks about this is that the only Photo ID I have is just terrible
<XXX>not looking pretty for moot
<XXX> Does anyone have a pretty ID? lol.
<XXX> no
<moot> believe me when i say we share the same concerns
<moot> i am anal about personal security
<moot> as you can imagine
<XXX> but really, isn't there an alternative to this uploading a picture to the server thing? It doesn't sit too well with me.
<XXX> lkololol
<XXX> could probably send a copy via cerfitied mail?
<moot> im not accepting them via mail
<moot> you can pen and paper and PDF it yourself if you want
<XXX> wow troid
<XXX> lol
<XXX> well, the only people that even know that this list exists are the people that have their Identity at risk
<XXX> these files are like our own litte metal gear 
<XXX> Moots, do passport scans count?
<XXX> Oh yeah, does it need to be a Photo ID?
<moot> any government-issued ID
<XXX> I have my birth certificate as well, 
<XXX> Great, because it's the only one I have besides birth certif.
<XXX> https://i.4cdn.org/tv/1421525849139.jpg
<XXX> containing up-to date info, that is. 2014.
<XXX> I hope you are familiar with foreign stuff
<XXX> moots, does all the information need to be displayed on the id we upload?
<XXX>mfw an /o/ janitor doesn't have a DL to scan moot. /k/ no CWP 
<moot> you can PM me specific questions re: IDs you have
<XXX> sounds good
<XXX> well, if someone decided to resign over this, they could feasibly leak the existence of the list
<XXX> haha great signature moot
<moot> two people have done it so far and i can confirm the files are deleted immediately once i counter-sign
<moot> i'd really recommend you all delete the fully executed agreement from yoru email though
<moot> and store it locally like i will
<XXX> on paper?
<moot> no, what
<XXX> I'm going to frame mine (^:
<XXX> a .pdf isn't a bad idea though
<XXX>2. Relationship; No Compensation.
<XXX> lmao though
<XXX> it's a pity that all the email traffic is not encrypted
<XXX> now we legally do it for free
<XXX> Relationship and no compensation, sounds like my last girlfriend!
<XXX> sick burn
<moot> >for free
<moot> i really, really wanted to squeeze that in there
<moot> alas, lawyers
<XXX> lel
<XXX> hahah
<moot> at least i got it in that blog post
<XXX> so what's all this about moot wantin' muh dox?
<XXX> check your email
<XXX> alternatively, check https://reports.4chan.org/agreement
<XXX> yeah, I'm just curious as to the minutiae
<XXX> basically, the big m has your DOX and has the legal basis to sue you if you leak stuff
<XXX> also you do it for free
<XXX> does law enforcement want your staff's details? or did? Or is that just in there should that ever happen?
<moot> i've only had it happen once, it was a prosecuting attorney
<moot> they wanted to know if i could identify a moderator
<moot> but to date it's never happened
<moot> but that's not to say it never will
<moot> if you delete/ban for something that results in a criminal or civil action, it's possible they could try to get you to testify
<XXX> o-oh jeez
<moot> but frankly that's always been a thing regardless of whether or not i have your information
<moot> i would have been legally required to attempt to put them in contact with you
<moot> but in 11.5 years that's never happened
<moot> since everyone pleads out anyway
<XXX> yeah, I get it. That's a valid reason.
<moot> very few 4chan related cases actually go to trial AFAIK
<XXX> thanks for the clarification
<XXX> how would a deletion or BR result in a criminal or civil action, anyway?
<moot> not against you
<moot> i mean, theoretically not
<moot> but say you deleted a post about a school shooting, and that person was then charged with a crime
<XXX> you might as well be wanted as a witness
<XXX> Mhm
<moot> they could possibly ask you to testify as to why you deleted the post, which wouldnt be wrong, but they would use it to build a case against the defendant
<XXX> I'm not american, what should I submit?
<moot> i've testified twice in 11.5 years
<XXX> can you refuse to testify in that sort of situation
<moot> and no moderator or janitor has ever been asked/required to
<moot> no
<moot> generally not
<moot> believe me i tried
<XXX> I just don't know how I feel about what is arguably part of the doxxing hotbed (whether you like it or not, that's still a part of this site) having my personal information
<moot> it's the last fucking thing i wanted to do
<XXX> twice?
<moot> once was a juvenile case
<moot> once was the federal trial where the transcript is public
<XXX> oh sry
<XXX> I loved that transcript
<XXX> Ah shit, I can't submit this data until Monday, 19th
<moot> http://www.businessinsider.com/4chan-founder-moots-weird-testimony-in-sarah-palin-email-hacking-trial-2010-8
<XXX> fug
<XXX> oh that one? I thought it was the Mad Thad one
<moot> i've never had to deal with his cases
<XXX> i remember that
<moot> afaik
<XXX> I imagined you all said that with a deadbeat voice
<XXX> moots, I'm not sure how it works for europoors like me. Do I have to submit a scanned copy of both front and left of my ID? Or only the part with my name and photo?
<XXX> I meant front and back
<moot> it can just be the front
<moot> and a photograph
<XXX> Ok. And what about the signature?
<moot> i just need some way of confirming you are who you say you are
<moot> you sign it on that form, it explains it
<moot> By typing your full name below, you are providing us with your digital signature, which is as legally binding as your physical signature. Please note that your signature must exactly match the first and last names that you entered at the top of this web form in order for your submission to be successful, and you must include a signature symbol (such as "/s/") before signing your full name.
<moot> then i countersign it
<moot> and you get a PDF via email
<XXX> So just "/s/ Name Lastname"?
<moot> it's pretty spiffy and takes like a second.
<moot> yes
<XXX> Alright
<XXX> so what kind of security measures are in place to make sure that anyone, yourself included, can't misuse this information?
<XXX>inb4 everything leaks tomorrow
<XXX>in b4 people replace /s/ with the board they janitor
<XXX> kek
<XXX> not that I don't trust you, but I like to keep people at arms distance with regards to the internet
<XXX>  /mlp/ Applejack Apples
<XXX> As much as I'm a tin foil hat at time, the local bar tender who I have no idea who he is has seen my ID and my CC. Really all he needs to rip me off for a car loan.
<XXX> yeah i don't janitor /s/ wtf
<XXX> ;)
<moot> it'll be stored locally on my harddrive in an encrypted container
<moot> and used to enforce the agreement, comply with legal/law enforcement requests and obligations, etc
<XXX> moot are you going to google us and giggle at our online presence when you know our names
<XXX> tfw senpai notices you
<XXX> and should I resign at a later juncture, will this information be deleted immediately? or held for a length of time until it is determined no longer needed?
<XXX>Your obligations under Sections 4, 5 and 6 of this letter agreement shall survive any termination or expiration of this letter agreement.
<XXX> even in death you are still legally bound
<moot> it will likely be held indefinitely, because the agreement stays in force indefinitely.
<moot> you cant resign and leak shit
<XXX> whats going on??
<XXX> Mhm... Given that there's no info about me online I guess I can submit my personal infos without a worry, but I guess we're gonna see a password change this week
<XXX> check yo email
<XXX> trying, but it's not working shitty work wifi
<XXX> You have to submit your full name and a copy of your ID to be a janitor
<XXX> Before monday
<XXX> Easy enough I'll do it right now
<moot> er the email said 7 days
<XXX> yeah
<moot> did it not
<XXX> Oops
<XXX> I was gonna say
<XXX> yeah
<XXX> Moot I'M MUCH MORE HANDSOME THAN MY ID I WAS 17 IN THAT PIC I SWEAR!
<XXX> sorry
<XXX>inb4 people fired for being underage
<XXX> yeah we've got a while to read and accept the agreement, think it over, etc
<XXX> There could be a 12 years old in this channel right now, sweating heavily, desperately trying to find a solution
<XXX> big bros id
<moot> for those who have actually done it and want to comment on the process, feel free
<moot> a few of you have done it already
<moot> i'll send out another email clarifying some things
<XXX> Yeah, I'm gonna really have to mull it over. This isn't the kind of thing I'm comfortable with jumping right into, unfortunately
<XXX> same here
<moot> totally understand
<moot> fwiw it's a requirement for incoming janitors as well
<XXX> I notice it asks for my board, does this mean in the future I wont have a chance to add other boards to my volunteering?
<XXX> I'm sure that would be updated later on
<XXX> it didnt ask for my board
<XXX> was there something specific that set this off?
<XXX> In the future I'd like to add more boards to my duty when I'm a bit better.
<XXX> /s/ is on all the forms
<XXX> it just means signed
<XXX> kind of like an X
<XXX> smash?
<XXX> maybe for a little bit. I have to leave in an hour
<XXX> Yeah like with that one leak that happened a while back with the janitor names i'm really hesitant about it.
<XXX> granted this agreement is to prevent shit like that with laws and shit
<XXX> but it's still concerning
<XXX> make the room
<XXX> It's also to prevent stuff like people leaking chat logs and user information
<moot> the main thing is just to insulate the company from its volunteers and the volunteers from the company from a legal perspective
<moot> these types of agreements are common for that reason
<XXX> is there a particular reason it happened now and not ages ago?
<XXX> That's also true, in a case something happens to the site, unless direct cause and or support lability is reduced for us.
<moot> because i finally got around to it

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