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Dragon Cave
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Dragon cave is a conspiracy to glue all the Teenage Girls in the Internets to something other than their webcams run by a complete drama whore who goes by the name of Theodore J. Lipscomb (TJ). It’s not really a game so much as it's really staring vacantly at a screen clicking madly on little pixel eggs while your soul is sucked into the void, and TJ is not so much a moderator as the Queen Twat, but who gives a shit about semantics anyway?
Very sad Pedobear shaking his head and crying nearby.
Will freak out at the mention of harming pixels
Yellow Snow- Dragon Cave's favorite treat!
Elite Dragon Cave players have permanent PMS. Almost all of them have raging hardons for TJ and gladly suck his e-penis whenever he whips it out in front of them (which is frequently). They are even Smarter than the normal Dragon Cave users and love to flaunt it at every single opportunity. Time not spent sucking E-Penis is spent roleplaying out Awesome Dragon Roleplay Characters notable for having zero physical descriptions and almost always the same personalities.
Dragon Cave Forums
What happens when you tell the Secretz
The center of most of the Dragon Cave drama and thus the most entertaining part of the site. It’s pretty bad when the forum wank is more entertaining than the game.
Dragon Cave Players are encouraged to necro topics instead of creating new topics as, according to faux moderator Sabbita ""It saves bandwidth". Apparently Bandwidth and server space are the same in Dragon Cave due to some quirk of computer physics. As a consequence, posting any thread, even if it only barely resembles a locked thread from three years ago, results in thread locking and possibly a big celebration concluded with the summoning of the Party Van.
The admins and moderators are very fragile and emo. They are also useless Aspies noted for their specialmaturity levels and being total cunts. The loudest of them are notable Otherkin and are even more protective of the Dragon Cave bullshit than normal as they don't know the difference between real dragons and shitty pixel art "dragons". Time not spent jerking it to Dragon "art" is spent bashing newbies into the ground for asking WTF is up with the total lack of information on how to play this game. God forbid someone let slip one of Dragon Cave's awesome secrets or say something that’s mean!
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If you have an issue with the site admin, take it to PMs. If you post it in the forums, everyone will jump into the thread, causing lag and stress and bad feelings, eventually resulting in the site admin feeling so worthless because everyone is insulting them that they just pack up and leave.
Dragon Cave used to operate under a strict code of silence. Anyone who said anything about the many secrets of the dragon cave would be eaten by TJ and result in lots of Bawwwwing. While TJ has since pulled his head out of his ass just far enough to realize that trying to keep people from finding out what dragons come out of which eggs is retarded, there are still some secrets which will cause much drama if discussed.
Neglected Dragons
One of the most coveted secrets of Dragon Cave is how to obtain a neglected dragon. These are popular because they are rare and there are seven wonderfully done sprites to collect. Revealing the secret of neglecteds or even asking about the secret of neglecteds will bring about much BAWW as the mods rush to lock the thread to keep the secret from getting out, despite the fact that half of the players know how to do it already and can freely spread the information via private message and places not on the forums, such as here.
Catch an egg from the cave and fog it. Record the exact time that you pick it up. This is your “Time of Death.”
Incubate the egg. This will remove a day from its time, meaning your Time of Death is exactly six days from the time you originally caught it.
Wait until the egg is five minutes from death, then unfog it and pop it into as many fansites as you can.
Give someone a teleport link to your egg, so they can catch it if it turns into a neglected.
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PROFIT!!!!
New Releases
New releases are always a cause for alternate bawwing and e-penis sucking on the forums. Bawwing because the fangirls with shitty internet connections won’t be able to get the new and shiny eggs, and e-penis sucking because everyone else will be screaming about how fabulous the new art is and how amazing TJ is for making the site, coding the release, giving them new dragons, and generally existing.
The best ways to troll a new release thread are to post spoilers for the releases in the thread or give honest critique on the art. A list of dragons waiting to be released can be found here, however, it is accessible only by forum members in an attempt to preserve the sanctity of the secrets.
Users of Note
TJ09: the Queen Twat
If the game being a boring clickfest run by overprotective commies who are so afraid that you'll figure out water dragons hatch from blue eggs wasn't enough, behold the trainwreck that is TJ09 - the Queen Twat and creator of this atrocity.
"TJ09", AKA T.J. Lipscomb, is a 17-year old from Shelton, Connecticut with a massive yet amazingly fragile ego. Most likely he is a furfag, otherkin and most likely secretly a cuntboy. TJ's hobbies include stealing shitty pixel art from videogames, getting nailed for stealing shitty pixel art from videogames, seducing teenage girls into making him shitty replacement art, and throwing tantrums when others don't do exactly as he says.
Her main claim to fame is being even more paranoid and anal than 50 Elite Dragon Cave users combined! She flits around the forum to spew her opinion everywhere and actually think it means something, when really what most of the kids is roll their eyes and skip her posts. Newbies think she's a mod. TJ's fangirls think she's a god. The rest of us think she needs to Shut the fuck up.
When not being a drama whore, Sabbita is busily churning out nauseatingly-bad dragon "sprites". She likes to whine when it looks like her sprites are not the favorites in a thread because she's so special.
Crazywargod is like Sabbita/Layn 2.0. More helpful and annoying than ever, crazywargod seems to think he is a mod and therefore has the authority to tell people when to shut up, continuing to attempt to get in the last word himself, however unreadable those "last words" may be.
Often seen in debate topics, he is adamant on starting shit he cannot finish, and when he finally realizes he has been outwit, he quickly backs off and demands all users do the same. After all, it's the only respectful thing to do!eleventy!!
DolphinSong is a well-known asshat artist who thinks her two cents in any conversation is actually worth something. It's also well known to see her disagree with pretty much ANY idea without uber logic information. Newbie artists constantly lick her e-clit in hopes that she'll help them make sprites for their dragon requests. It's not uncommon to see her bash ideas and art with science and reality (because magic just doesn't exist, even in a world of dragons with the ability to use..MAGIC!) to help her argument and make herself sound smart and refuses to shut the fuck up until someone proves her wrong or shows better evidence (which most people do) and only then will she disappear from the thread, obviously outsmarted.
Whenever she's not spewing bullshit, she's masturbating to her own posts about her specialalt Rosebud Dragon, that she's overly obsessed with, just to remind everyone else that she has one, in hopes that they'll think she's superior and feel jealous.
She disappeared from the site for some time but soon came back with wonderful news.
Maybe I'll sound superior if I mention my special Rosebud.
WHY CAN'T YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING HEAD?!
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Blahblahblah My alt Rosebud Blahblahblah!
My Rosebud is so special, I can get what I want with it now!
My Rosebud is too special to just give away it's offspring!
She multiplied? GOD HELP US!
A Legacy of Drama
Dragon Cave spriters are known for their sensitivity and USI.
The history of Dragon Cave is long and tumultuous, littered with many a flamewar and wankfest. Most of this bullshit revolves around artwork or TJ, or possibly both, though it will occasionally explode over something as simple as a bit of lag and downtime.
All art is copyright the wonderful artists at Dragon cave and using it anywhere else or editing them without permission will result in polite emails being sent requesting that you take them down. Thank you.
One day in the fall of 2008 the teenage girls got sick and tired of the Admins' trigger-happy banhammer and censorship of even the most basic aspects of play and decided to make a thread called How To Treat your Users with the hopes that TJ would mend his evil ways. The resulting emo comments and flamestorm reached a category five on the lulz scale. Here are a few choice excerpts from the horse's mouth.
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You know what? You're right. Clearly I cannot handle both what is going on in life right now without having my stress roll over into how I act on this forum. So instead, I'll abstain from visiting this forum until things calm down to the point where I can actually deal with people in a polite manner.
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—TJ09 @ Nov 5 2008, 05:09 PM
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People. I did not post here to be a drama queen and attract everyone's pity. The OP has valid points, so stop flaming them.
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—TJ09 @ Nov 5 2008, 06:06 PM
The Site Admin TJ09 (T.J. Lipscomb) changed his title to Clearly too rude for this forum after locking the thread.
Mark of a butthurt fangirl
A great big Bawwwww rose out of the forums after the How to Treat your Users thread was locked with all the girls scared that TJ had left the site 4EVA!!! Dozens of members started sporting "I support TJ" buttons and banners while bawwing extra loud at everyone who suggested that Mayyybe TJ was wrong and that maybe he needed to grow a pair and stop being such a twat. Dozens of "we support TJ", "We Love TJ" and "please come screw us TJ!" threads cropped up, spamming out all notable content from the forums in most sections of the site. A few users pledged to leave the forums as well in honor of TJ's leaving the forums.
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you'd think they'd know better than to mess with the Great and All-Powerful TJ.
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— NivaTheDragonQueen
Though everyone hoped they would not return, most never left and neither did TJ. Instead he instead began lurking instead of moderating his own forums leading to massive spam and after listening to butthurt fangirls crying over him supposedly leaving the site 4EVA!! he posted a news post, "Uhou Idcesbot!", which was written in Saurian (no shit, TJ is so lame he makes announcements in the language from the Starfox games). This thread eventually became a rant fest of epic proportions once someone found a Real Life picture of TJ and posted it. TJ saw this, panicked and wiped the thread to try to remove all traces. He then proceeded to show how much more mature than the rest of the forum he is....
Asshattery in Furfag-speak
Translation of the furfag-speak: '
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Well aren't you all reaaaaaaaaaaaaal mature. srsoy. Break my forum... psh.
By the, this topic is far from record-setting. News topics have gotten to 2YY pages before.
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This had absolutely nothing to do with the initial post into which the new "anouncement" was edited and everything to do with the fact that apparently the Dragon Cave forums handle massive numbers of posts about as well as TJ handles his users. The display of asshattery and wiping the thread of all posts did not stem the tide of posts, however, and the thread was up to over 200 posts and rising within 20 minutes of the wipe, many of which basically could be summarized as Stfu. Feeling butthurt that his cry for attention and attempt to cover-up his ugly mug failed to pan out as intended, TJ wiped the thread a second time, locking it, and completely shut down the forums. When the forums came back up online the above image had been deleted.
On the night of April Fools, TJ decided to whip out his e-penis and replaced half the sprites on DC with Pokemon sprites. Much BAWWWWING arose as the Art Nazis realised that for the few minutes they used those sprites without credit, Nintendo would sue DC. Others simply Bawwwed about the admin's account getting hacked while some posted that they couldn't get to sleep because they were crying too hard about not knowing what was happening (unfortunately we couldn't retrieve this post as TJ deleted the thread, surprise). Yet no one stopped to realise it was April Fool's night anyway.
They Found Us!
In the local Art Nazi thread (OMG posting the sprites with credit is BAD, m'kay, and results in polite mails to STOP SPREADING TEH SECRETZ) they actually found and posted a link to this thread.
Thanks for the FREE traffic to all guide sites like this that would have otherwise gone unnoticed, thus preserving your secrets! Thanks, geniuses.
Updated: Now there's a Wikia site dedicated to this crap. You can find the formerly forbidden secrets at this site. Queen Twat found his brain and realised other people had brains too and could actually work out what dragon came from what egg. About fucking time too.
Preserved for posterity, some posts of interest.
I don't think this can be reported just for being incredibly offensive, but it does have a few dragon stages and some information about them. http://encyclopediadramatica.se/User:3tails/Dragon_Cave Just a warning: it is incredibly offensive. And sab - both you and TJ are mentioned personally.
If this has already been mentioned, my bad. -- SockPuppet Strangler Feb 10 2009, 04:37 PM
........................................who. do. I. talk. to?I emailed the support contact. the disclaimer said that guides are meant to be "funny" and anything that goes beyond will be deleted. pointed out how offensive it is. -- sabbita/Layn Feb 10 2009, 04:40 PM
I already brought it up with the mods, and the basic consensus is tacking encyclopedia dramatica would cause more trouble than it's worth. I personally would love to see that page gone though. -- Pokemonfan13 Feb 10 2009, 04:50 PM
Ugh...ED...god I hate that site. It disgusts me, but there's really nothing we can do. It's like going to 4chan and telling them to stop acting like morons. Not going to happen.
and I believe that really....we shouldn't be going after these guides so maliciously...it's just making us all look like raging control freaks...fact is, we don't have power over the rest of the internet.
If, like Komodo said, they're making profit off it somehow, then we can get them, but if they're just posting it in a forum and not making profit off it....nothing we can do. It's not like it's THAT difficult to figure out what turns into what anyway, and as long as they're not advertising the guides on here, they aren't really doing anything wrong, yes to us they are, but the fact is our ToS holds no value at another site.
If one gets super popular and becomes annoying, then we should go try to get it down, but we can't get rid of every guide, we shouldn't really be trying. -- shikaru Feb 10 2009, 05:45 PM
(this means SPREAD THE LINK!)
.... T.T They're claiming the "educational" part of fair use in copyright law from what I can tell, and that is NOT what the educational thing is for. It's so that schools can copy material to hand out to students. -- Pokemonfan13 Feb 10 2009, 06:41 PM
Oh, and I'm probably going to end up wiping most of this thread tomorrow when I have time -- Pokemonfan13 Feb 10 2009, 08:01 PM (wuss Nazi.)
sent an email to their (ED) "support" email..... and guess what? their "support" email, for you to contact in case you have a problem with it being "insulting" rather than "funny".... doesn't exist! lol! -- sabbita/Layn Feb 12 2009, 01:42 PM
can I ask a question? isn't it kind of silly to post the links to all these egg guides when you don't want people to know what they're getting?? -- manticore Feb 13 2009, 10:02 PM
You know guys, it is best to ignore ED. It's run and maintained by Anon, and therefore there is no way to actually get them to stop doing whatever it is they feel like doing. Any attempt to "retaliate" against them only results in a longer ED article and higher potential for us becoming targeted for a raid.
Though it should be noted that whoever wrote the article is clearly not familiar with the rules of the Internet. It claims that this forum is full of teenage girls, and one of the Rules is that there are no girls on the Internet. :V -- Lythiaren Feb 13 2009, 08:31 PM
QUOTE (Loli @ Feb 15 2009, 03:44 AM)
How in the world is that cheating? If we had some magical program that auto hatched eggs or changed what came out of it that would be a cheat. It's called a guide for a reason genius! If you don't want people to know without hatching their own eggs you might as well block access to all scrolls too. Most people would be able to put two and two together and realize what adults and hatchlings come out of what eggs after seeing a few scrolls. Hell that's how I decided on my own eggs in the first place.
QUOTE (Layn @ Feb 15 2009, 12:51 AM)
the point of the cave is to learn what egg hatches into what on your own. that is how tj designed it. Posting guides is against this, as they reveal to anyone what becomes what, and takes away teh challenge that is the game. learning what tehy hatch into still takes some thought.
Do you even read what you post or are you just parroting that from everyone else? -- Seiken no Hisui in reply to Sabbita/Layn and Loli Feb 15 2009, 03:57 AM
Thread Wipe!! with rewrite of first post: This is not a thread for discussion. Just post the link or links in question and leave. Do not respond to others' posts unless you have pertinent information to add. If you find dragcave art on a website and it is not being posted as a collectible or in strict relation to dragcave (as a scroll link, etc) please post a link to it here or report it to the site if it is one such as deviantart where they will remove it. Even if it has a "from dragcave" tag somewhere it is still likely to be theft, as you are not allowed to use dragcave art without permission from the artist (and the artists are not likely to have given permission). This is especially true if the poster has edited it and is not giving credit. I greatly dislike egg guides, but as long as they are not claiming to have permission and there aren't any adds on the guide don't bother posting them. They're more trouble to take down than they're worth. -- This post has been edited by Pokemonfan13 on Feb 15 2009, 08:07 PM (contradict much?)
It took you this long to figure out loli is a troll?
St Patrick's Day and the "Lagmonster"
Many members decided to join the usual Elite DC players in awaiting to see if TJ would release new shitty pixel art. Much to their dismay this didn't happen, but instead, having so many people on the site caused DC to have a server crash. Bawwing occured once more as people could not check up on their dragons and even more bawwing occured when their pixels got killed as the server was down for 2-3 weeks. Once TJ restored the server though, the fangirls furiously sucked his massive e-penis:
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The dragon god TJ is all merciful... if you can bring Cherry Blossoms back, I will worship/idolize you forever...
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— Moonfeather13 Jul 23 2009, 04:05 PM
Asshattery at its greatest:
You enter the cave as you did daily to adopt a dragon hatchling or egg, adding to your family. But what you find were no dragons, no eggs, only something else, something much more sinister than the annoying Lagmonster Dragon you tackled once before. Piles of adult dragon and hatchling bones scattered about as well as egg shells of various dragons. A low growl is heard as you enter the cave and soon you find your path blocked by a sinister dragon that was feared by all. Sharp fangs gnawing in flesh as claws ripped apart everything in its path. Solid datachip wings were folded to its back as its red eyes of death make you shriek in terror....you were staring into the eyes of none other than the Datamonster!
All was thought to be lost for the beloved dragons and there was thought to be no hope in rescuing them, no matter how hard the owners tried. The Datamonster was just too strong! Just then, a knight stood out amongst them all by the name of TJ09.
Raising his trusty sword-of-recovering, TJ09 took a mighty swing at the Datamonster's vile bloated stomach. The awesome power of sword rent asunder the evil beast hide, releasing and reviving all the dragons trapped within. The Datamonster let out a final mighty roar of anguish, clawing at the sky as if trying return the escaping dragons to his gaping maw. Having released the dragons TJ09 made a mighty leap and with one sure sweep of his magnificent sword beheaded the vile Datamonster, ending it's threat once and for all!
But, unbeknown to TJ and the revived dragons, The ferocious and evil Datamonster still clung to the mortal coil. As the brave knight walked away, the cybernetic beast's limbs began to twitch, nearly imperceptible to the eye. Then the camera panned in on the creature's severed head, as it's glowing red eye slowly opened up and narrows, vowing to seek revenge.
TJ09 is now a hero! He lead the way as all the dragons returned home to their beloved families. The owners cried with joy as they were reunited with their beloved dragons. TJ09 smiled, knowing the journey was long, the battle was hard but all in all, it was worth it all. With the mission completed, the brave and heroic knight disappeared into the light, awaiting for the next time his help would be needed. - Aug 12 2009, 01:50 PM
Christmas '09
Twas the night before Christmas, and every member was shitting their pants in anticipation of the long-awaited Christmas dragon of 2009. But, it was soon discovered that something was amiss! There was not just one dragon to be had, but 3 beautifulrecolors. The members rejoiced, until realizing that they could each get only one, and they couldn't choose which.
This was a catastrophe! Now they would NEVAR have all the dragons! What was to be done? Why, what Dragoncave does best; whine about it. The members banded together, swarming from far and wide, and began to baww loudly in every forum thread that remotely touched on the topic in the hopes that TJ would realize the error of his ways and revert the dragons back to one color. Sadly, most of these threads have been deleted. Their lulz is lost to us forever.
(2:39:30 PM) Xylene: Is there still a way to tell what your scroll number is? SS was curious.
(2:39:38 PM) Trilby: I think my dog just fell up the stairs.
(2:39:44 PM) reddragon420: lol
(2:39:52 PM) dejavugurl: lol
(2:39:56 PM) Eruru: XD
(2:39:57 PM) Purpletail: ..and my last gold give me a daydream....ahh well
(2:40:00 PM) Purpletail: its cool
(2:40:08 PM) bluebell_rose: xD, I has in my sig, my id scroll
(2:40:12 PM) TJ09: Xylene, technically yes.
(2:40:20 PM) TJ09: If you look at your cookies
(2:40:24 PM) ***dejavugurl pokes her blue stripe egg and albino
(2:40:26 PM) Trilby: I hear a thud on the stairs and he comes in and flump on his blanket all "hrmph">
(2:40:29 PM) Trilby: .*
(2:40:30 PM) TJ09: There's one that contains the ID of the user that's logged in.
(9:55:30 AM) Diana: How -did- you code that?
(9:55:31 AM) dejavugurl: I'd prefer the gold or the gold with red and green
(9:55:32 AM) Kallistrate: same, Cinnabar
(9:55:33 AM) Diana: It sounds complex.
(9:55:34 AM) Diablo: but whatever
(9:55:43 AM) Odie: i would have much preferred each dragon to be completely random
(9:55:44 AM) Diablo: these will never be my favorite dragon
(9:55:45 AM) KitN: i would be dissapointed to get a solid gold wing set
(9:55:49 AM) TJ09: It's really simple: User ID mod 3. --Dragoncave IRC
The mystery was solved! The members discussed this new development avidly while continuing to baww about how much they hated what color they got. Suddenly, from out of nowhere, TJ pulled out his mighty e-penis and proceeded to ban several of the people talking about it, including one of his own OPs. The reason stated was that "reverse engineering went against Dragoncave's rules", despite the fact that it was TJ who told them how it was done in the first place. The remaining members, furious at their admin for being such a fucktard, proceeded to whip up a shitstorm of rage and BAWW that was not to be outdone until Dovealove's bitchfit a less than a month later. Eventually, the IRC settled down and everyone resumed jerking off to the new pixel dragons.
Mighty Artist Bitchfit Part 1: Dovealove
Dovealove, the 'artist' with the most shitty pixel art on the site, had a fight with TJ and decided she would remove all the art she ever contributed to the site. Not that we're complaining, less shitty art the better! However, trouble ensues:
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To request that I pull all my sprites, thank you.
For clarification: Including my incave ones. Collaborative works would be best discussed in pm, depending on how much the dragon was shared.
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—Dovealove
More lulz was created on the thread when the mods themselves began bickering in the thread. TJ, being the prick he is, treated the 16 year old girls like shit because being fangirls, they would never stop sucking that e-penis.
This seems more like a repeat of the past, "How to treat your users". Sources have revealed that Attention-Whoretwat TJ had tried to dominate and control everything on the site and obviously couldn't handle it. This is also why he is the only admin on the forum and why no one else has the amount of eggs under their name as him.
And of course, the mods have locked this to prevent bawwwing because their egos are just too fragile to handle it. And before they delete fucking everything:
Later on it was discovered this was all an elaborate plan to manipulate the DC users into complaining and giving the “artists” more rights. As stated by Marrionetta:
"Request denied. Get back in the spriting kitchen, woman." - Jan 30 2010, 07:31 PM
Mighty Artist Bitchfit Part 2: Lythiaren
In March of 2010, the shit hit the fan again when someone dared to say something about a sprite that wasn't a golden shower of praise. Spriter Lythiaren, creator of the frill dragons, was displeased.
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*sigh* So much spritebashing. Very well guys, you've forced my hand.
TJ, if/when you read this:
Please retire the Frill dragon from the cave and render all specimens infertile. There's clearly enough hate out there to make this a reasonable decision, and this is NOT the first time I've clicked on a thread and found it degenerating into people whining about how much they hate the sprite. Even fellow spriters hate the sprite.
Have fun guys, you've murdered the male Frill.
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—Lythiaren, blaming others for her "murdering" her creation.
Almost as soon as this post was made, the fangirls of DC swarmed all over her with the praise and attention she was looking for. Lythiaren was undeterred, though, as she was now bathing in the adoration that such typical attention whores crave and she wasn't about to give that up:
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Not anymore. See above. I will not be convinced by puppy eyes and pleading this time. The male Frill is dead. I've dealt with enough spritebashing in the past few days, and tried to tolerate more than enough on the Frill alone ever since they first started clogging the AP months ago. I will not stand for it any longer.
Typical paranoid reaction to common sense and compliments.
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After the announcement, everyone who wasn’t licking Lythiaren’s e-clit or making crappy signature banners was furiously trying to collect as many of the pixels as they could. The pixels were finally retired, and after a few more weeks the drama died down. To this day, even mentioning the frill wank will cause people to whine and post about how sorry they feel for Lythiaren.
Not-So-Mighty Artist Bitchfit: Earthgirl
The DC forum members' brains are dead: to begin with. There is no doubt about that. The ever-whiny members of the DC community rung in the new year with bawww and drama as usual, after that year's beautiful new dragon grew up and - LE GASP - some ugly horrible h8ers with knowledge of anatomy and color theory and other such total bullshit didn't think it was artistically perfect!
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"I do like these dragons, they are very nice. The only thing that is bugging me is the arms and hands. It looks way too human to me. It doesn't look like a quadrupeds legs. The paws look like hands, not something that the dragon would use to walk on. I am not saying this to bash the sprite or spriter at all. I think the dragon is lovely."
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—Annageckos, being a HORRIBLE EVIL HATER.
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I agree. They seem very human-like,and that really bugs me. I mean,they are really beautiful,but maybe if some colors on the belly were changed,and the arms/paws would be more dragon-y, It would be really great. I don't think this dragon is a christmas one though,it looks more carnival to me. It seems more like a rare dragon that could be released all year long, than a christmas one."
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—AlexielDragoness, expressing her UTTER HATRED of the sprite and its artist.
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This is the only thing that bothers me about this sprite -- as soon as I saw it, I thought it seemed like a very humanoid form with wings; particularly the shoulders, arms, and hands. But ditto the quote; this is NOT to bash the sprite, it's just one small critique. Overall, I really love this dragon, and can't wait to put it into pretty lineages. (In fact, I'm wasting my day taking screencaps so I can build a mock-lineage-chart to help visualize my plans!)"
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—Kelkelen, who doesn't realize that not SQUEEing is, indeed, sprite bashing.
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How could a proper Dragon Cave fangirl just stand back and watch all this hatred flow into the forums? Answer: they cannot! The fangirls came out in droves and defended the beautiful art, with such great arguments as:
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"Lol wow
Guess it wouldn't be a holiday without the customary complaint group
I for one adore the sprite <3
Nice job earthgirl!
It is done waaaaay better then some of the complainers could do I am sure.
Seriously guys with as much complaints as get tossed around during these events it is a wonder the spriters keep doing them at all.
And people wonder why there is a lack in spriters on this site?
Tough crowd xP"
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—Reidragon, who doesn't know what a fucking paragraph is.
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Your crits are all opinion crits.
There is NOTHING anatomically wrong with the sprite at /ALL/.
Every crit you gave was based soley on what YOU think the dragon should be like.
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—Reidragon doesn't know shit about anatomy. Or paragraphs.
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There is a difference between solicited critique and unsolicited critique.
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—Earthgirl, the sprite artist, "I didn't ask for critique on my publicly displayed art, so stop giving it!!!11"
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There always seems to be room for more and more complaints nowadays. Considering it is a free game with wonderful talented people giving us beautiful artwork to collect and not only that but TJ with more amazing peeps has made the past Halloween and Christmas even more special, sometimes it does appear we all have to be opinionated but contribute nothing!
The game is wonderful, the Christmas dragon is wonderful and this event this Christmas has been wonderful with the wreaths and stories to discover on the lead up to Christmas. I am excited to wait for the winners on New Years and good luck to everyone in the raffle.
Bring on new wonderful sprites for 2012 and lets keep the community going.
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—Lilacamy931, "STOP COMPLAINING, YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING."
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I have a wonderful idea for those who choosing to complain instead of critique. Drop your hatchlings to the AP. Problem solved, you don't have to look at them anymore. <...> I understand critique. Critique and constructive criticism are healthy, however, complaining, bickering, and honestly, in my eyes, telling the spriters that there are things that need to be fixed, is not healthy.
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—xXAngelicEvilXx, "Critique is good as long as it's not pointing out flaws." Lolwut?
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Not about to abide this incoming tide of idiocy, those with brains stepped in and told the fangirls like it is:
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"Well,I'm not a spriter,but that doesn't mean I doesn't have the eyes to see,or the right to give my opinions and critics. If the spriters doesn't want to hear them,that's not my problem.
usually people(and spriters) here,just want to hear nice things,such "it's stunning!","everything is roses!". I'm sorry if I hurt someone by saying what I feel and not hide behind bootlicker comments. It is said here that spriters appreciate critics so they can improve their artwork,but they actually just hear what they want to.
I know that in past releases,many comments got erased for the critics they have. well,if you don't want critics,then please don't act in the opposite way and get mad when people criticize. Its very easy to play dumb and say that people are "complaining" and not "critisizing".
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—AlexielDragoness, having a point.
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I have see it said many times by spriters that they want concrit. That is what was given.
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—Annageckos correctly points out that the artist and her asskissers are whiny brats.
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OH GOD THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH OPINIONS?! AND THOSE OPINIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN MINE?!?! AND THEY'RE SPEAKING THEM?!?!?! WHAT IS THIS DEATH-DEVIL-EVIL BLASPHEMY?!?!?!?!
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—AngelKitty concisely summarizes this entire bawfest.
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To be fair, Wookie pointed out that the dragon's front limbs look more biped than quadruped. The hatchling is clearly a quadruped, and the adult suddenly has biped arms. I would call that an anatomy/execution flaw. Had EG done a better job executing the front limbs to reflect those of a quadruped, Wookie wouldn't have pointed it out.
And critiques on color are just as valid as those on anatomy. I find the sprite incredibly busy, but at least I'm able to differentiate the different values among all the shades. Kind of. The red could have used a little more contrast in the shadows. I've given a whole spiel on the color red before and I'm not going to do it again. And the green could have been made less on the blue end of the spectrum. This isn't a spruce/pine related concept, where a green with blue tones would have worked wonderfully.
So the sprite does have its flaws, pointed out by people who are experienced in anatomy and color theory. That said, I like the sprite, but I'm not in love with it. I can appreciate the quality of the work, but the overall business, the few anatomy errors, and the failure to really scream "Christmas holiday" really kill how much I could have enjoyed the piece.
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—Kila, an artist with actual training beyond tracing anime, points out EVERYTHING that is wrong with the sprite.
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Just as it seemed that common sense was about to prevail - even the mods were protecting the "haters" right to critique - the artist steps in with a nice wanky temper-tantrum to make everybody shut up:
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To be honest with everyone, I don't really want to deal with critiques on my first Holiday release. v.v
I'm just going to plug my ears and go 'lalala' for the time being. okay?
Problem solved.
Thank you very much for killing my enjoyment for my first ever Holiday release. v.v
And after that baw-filled post, the thread was closed for a while. It was eventually reopened, however, and a member of the "STOP CRITICIZING BEFORE YOU START DRAMA" crowd proposed that the holiday release threads be reserved for squeeing and asskissing and those evil criticizing hater fucks can go whine where nobody can see them. Another member smartly noted that this was censorship, and thus the drama was started right back up. The thread was then closed again, for good this time, but the wanktrain was chugging merrily along now and wasn't about to be stopped. It was instead rerouted to the forum feedback thread, to the distress of some.
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C-can't we all just be friends? ;~;
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—No.
The wank only got juicier from this point on, with users calling for a "squee-only" zone in release threads, simultaneous cries of "CENSORSHIP!" and "BULLYING!", and a bullshit statement from Earthgirl trying to backpedal from her previous whiny comments.
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I'm going to finally say something as I decided to stop standing aside and watch. I see people mentioning the fact that us, spriters, don't take critique openly and this is NOT true.
In fact, I wasn't bothered by people who commented on my sprite. Some points were valid and some weren't... They were personal opinions and everyone has the right to have one, right? Right? It's up to me if I want to consider those or not. It's my sprite after all. Not everyone will like it and that is the reality with every single piece of art. Someone's least favorite can be someone favorite and viceversa.
What really bugged me was something that happened outside the forums and the site in general. It's pretty much some fellow spriters's demeanor and attitude and view on Holiday releases in general. Which in my opinion, is wrong. Holiday events aren't supposed to be dealt with drama and sprite bashing.
For one, I'm not a tyrant, but I believe many of you could figure that out. My comment in there was the final blow in order to get the whole drama to stop. I said to myself to not interfere much with it, but I felt I had to at that one point, because it was starting to become unbearable. I believe it would've kept going on and on if I hadn't. v.v
I hope I half-clarified things out. I am NOT upset at the userbase.
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—Earthgirl, full of shit, tries to reclaim her dignity and fails.
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"I'll bump this up from page 5 with the request that those who cry foul and accuse others of starting drama get warned themselves for being the ones to start it by proxy.
Also, it'd be nice if the DC forums would be more accepting of different opinions and critique on sprites. It's better than it was, but still has room for improvement. This site has some infamy for being anti-criticism and overly sensitive about differing opinions. Sheltering and coddling that kind of attitude doesn't help anyone in the long run."
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—Nine, who has probably seen this article.
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Indeed. People should be able to point out everyone's flaws without regard to feelings. After all, how can people improve if they don't know what's wrong? Who cares about things like "bullying?" Just keep piling it on; let no blemish go unmentioned. Right? ...Right?
Wrong."
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—Queen Twat TJ, equating critique with bullying.
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TJ's response there is kind of a straw man. No one was suggesting that we ignore peoples' feelings, bully people (ironic since those who give critique are more often bullied), nit pick every pixel just for the enjoyment of it, or purposely not try to help artists improve."
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—Nine.
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It's funny. Someone gives criticism to a spriter, they're allowed to get upset. Spriters give criticism to other players, and we're expected to suck it up and take it.
Not saying you guys don't have valid points, it's just really hard for me to sympathize with your indignation over people bashing your ideas when I've gone to bed crying over my opinions that spriters have bashed.(Not just talking about art here, btw; I would never show a spriter on this forum anything I've drawn because of the exact thing being debated here.)"
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—Derranged.
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I think the censorship is getting a little too heavy if someone can't say "I'm not a fan of xxx" or "It's not my favorite xxx" plainly without being lambasted and called rabble rousers/drama starters/whiners/complainers/etc (which i think is just as bad tbh). No harm is ment, and nobody is saying the art is bad or terrible or they don't appreciate the effort people went through to provide it, but it's not their slice of cake."
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—Thiefofhearts.
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I have a rule change I'd like to request for News posts that announce new dragons. Could the mods decide that "critique" not be allowed on news posts where TJ debuts a dragon? I've long thought that "critiques" (sometimes disguised as negative comments) should be held somewhere other than the place where a dragon is debuted to the forum. Maybe Site Discussion could allow for critique posts while the News announcements be reserved for "Thank-you"s."
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—Stardust13 suggesting a squee-only zone.
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Goodness...are people really suggesting we only allow 'squee and I love it' posts in the holiday sprite release threads!?"
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—Dubious is dubious of Stardusst13's suggestion.
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If these people hate the sprite SO much, why don't they just abandon or trade the egg/hatchling they have so they don't have to have it? It's there choice whether they want the egg or not.
I personally think that if you can't do a better job at spriting, you shouldn't be complaining about the sprites. These spriters are amazing, and I can imagine it takes a lot of work to get that beautiful dragon in the end."
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—NivatheDragonQueen.
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See, it's attitudes like this that annoy me, especially the 'if you can't do better than shut up'. I can't cook, so does that mean that if someone cooks me a terrible meal I should just shut up and be happy simply because I 'can't do better?'The whole 'well if you don't like it don't have it' attitude is something that rubs me wrong too. I was one of the ones who had a quibble or two about the new sprite, but that does not mean I don't like it. I do like the new dragons. They are lovely, and I love their pose and anatomy and when I look at them I can see how much earthgirl has improved over the years she's been here.
But because I'm not a fan of the colour scheme all that much, and pointed out that it was a little busy and made the sprite a little confusing means I should just dump my eggs and not get to play with everyone else, just because I didn't love it 10000%?"
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—Haloclimb.
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I didn't see any bashing comments, so I'm surprised by the drama (point them out to me if I missed any)."
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—Natli, clearly new around the forums.
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Anyway. Here's my bottom line, I guess. The crit hurt the artists. Whether it intended to or not, it hurt the artists. If your freedom of speech is more important than another's potential hurt, then go ahead and post your crit. But you have to live with the fact that your crit is going to have consequences, whether you intend them or not.
I personally wish that the artists could go into the news threads and not have to suffer your freedom of speech. That's why I think it should be relocated- not to shove people into a corner, not to ignore negative opinions, but to prevent the artists from getting hurt. The artists may go to that thread. But they need that choice, rather than being forced to sift through it in order to read the news."
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—Stogucheme wants to shove you in a corner to protect the fragile spriters.
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Um lolno. Politely-delivered crit does NOT hurt artists unless they are one of those types who can't handle criticism. And honestly, if an artist can't handle a bit of polite, non-rude, honest crit on their work and can't handle a few people politely stating that they dislike their work (mixed in with a bunch of praise from others, I might add) when they put it up IN PUBLIC for ALL to see, then that's the artist's problem, not ours."
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—AngelKitty responds to Stogucheme.
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As for your comment, 'if you can't take the crit, don't make your art public,' that's called bullying. Plain and simple. It also limits freedom of speech/expression.
Here's an example for you. I could, if I wanted to, decide to critique every single aspect of every single thing you posted. Freedom of speech/typing, right? I could give you very polite and valid advice as to how you misspelled this word, or how your grammar was off, etc. I mean, if you didn't want me to do that, you wouldn't have posted online, in a public forum, right?"
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—Stogucheme to AngelKitty, "I'll bullycrit you to DEATH!!!"
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Nobody on this forum is stalking artists specifically to attack their work, stop making it seem that way. Concrit isn't bullying.
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By all means, go right ahead and pick at something I've posted, drawn or written, and tell me what you do and don't like. If you do it politely, it isn't bullying, it's a fact of life that not everyone is going to like what I do or agree with me and I accept this."
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—AngelKitty, "Come at me bro!!!"
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Whether an artist wants or uses that concrit is up to them, but if someone like Wookie or I takes the time to type out what we see wrong politely and mention how it could be fixed I think it's quite rude for people to tell us to "shut up" because we "can't do better", because to be honest we can do better."
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—Kila, BURN.
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Part 2: Yellow people are so kawaii and black people have proven they can be civilized, but burn gypsies with fire!
Earthgirl, also known as Groovie on Flight Rising, was caught on tumblr advocating for the genocide of a whole people. She cannot deal with legitimate critique of her sprites, but she feels completely free to suggest setting people on fire and thinks fetishizing is a compliment. And she's not sorry. She says so herself every time she posts about it.
Oh God. The SJW Corp. on dramarising strikes again.
I’m going to sound very racist here and I’m not sorry. AT ALL.
First off, I take great offense when I hear that gypsies are called ‘Romani’. No. They are NOT ‘Romani’ or ‘Rroma’ or whatever their stinky asses want to be called. Because of their newly-claimed name as the ‘Romani people’, Romanians are often mistaken for gypsies and suffer greatly from that.
Thankfully, eversince they went loose all over Europe (and even America, I hope) and caused problems, people started to wake up and notice the difference and realize that the oh-so-discriminated gypos are really a plague.
Romanians = white people, mostly civilized. Looking for work, studies, sightseeing. Educated for the most part. They have a culture and a country.
Gypsies(or ‘romani’ if you want) = not white(Indian), roam in large groups, impossible to civilize, stinky(allergic to soap), they mostly steal and destroy everything. Uneducated. They don’t really have a…culture.(tho, they probably did 100 years ago) They can’t fucking adapt anywhere!
'Gypsy' is not a racial slur. Gypsy is what gypsies have been called since the dawn of history. They came from India, just saying, incase some ignorants who see this don't already know it.
As for me being racist?
White people = I am one of them. Not judging.
Black people = totally okay with them. Exotic. They proved to be capable of adapting and being civilized.
Asians = kawaii little yellow people. *pats them*
Gypsies = KILL THEM WITH FIRE!
-Earthgirl, suggesting we set Romani people on fire. Also, she's white so she has no right to judge them, but she's perfectly happy judging groups she is not a part of! Isn't that great?
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Wow lol.
Apparently, saying things that I thought were positive about certain groups of people makes me a racist, ignorant asshole. And I deserve all the hate in the world for it.
Oooookay? o.o
That post did not even show up on the dash, because I posted it privately, then I made it public. Maybe I should’ve kept it private. lol whoops. But, someone went and dug into my blog for stuff to get offended at, looking for drama where there was none.
Kawaii means ‘cute’ and I think Asians are cute. But, I believe calling Asians ‘cute’ equal being ‘racist’. whatever.
Calling black people ‘civilized and exotic’ is also racist, apparently.
I did not say anywhere that I have a dislike for said groups.
Can I breathe without someone actually jumping at my throat and trying to suffocate me for breathing? People read way too much into things. If you want to ignore me for having an opinion, fine! Do it! I don’t mind.
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—Earthgirl, telling East Asians and black people she totes didn't mean to offend them, why aren't they just complimented, geez!?
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You see, I am in neither of these groups/minorities. I can’t speak for themselves, since I don’t know what bothers them or what they can find offensive. My only mistake in that post is that I didn’t write a whole essay about how awesome Asians and Afro-Americans are. I sincerily apologize for that. They were just silly little statements.
I like seeing Asians and Afro-Americans around, visiting my country. I like them, don’t get me wrong. Yet, I don’t know any of them IRL.
Well, actually, I had a collegue at the University who was black and she was really cool and fun to talk to. ^^ We did not interact much, because we were only sharing one class.
I would love to actually meet and befriend more people of different races.
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—Earthgirl, who would love to meat more East Asians and black people because she hasn't offended them enough online. She'd like to be even more of a creep in person!
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I am not trying to save myself from being called out on my offensiveness. My statements on the ‘Romani people’, from my point of view at least, are valid. Not the best worded statements out there, but still somewhat valid.
I’ve nothing against either groups. I like both Asians and Afro-Americans. Maybe you should look up the reply I typed for unkorea. I am happy to see them around. I am actually happier to see diversity in my country, rather than the same white-washed faces everyday.
Sorry to have offended you in any way.
I am aware that I made an ass out of myself.
What can I do now? I’ll just have an attempt to repair the damage.
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—Earthgirl, trying to repair the damage done by insisting her suggestion to set Romani people on fire is valid.
When called out on all of this, Earthgirl never apologized, yet backtracked and eventually linked to a post on her blog that said "early april fools". Unsurprisingly, no official action will be taken against Earthgirl and members who call her out on the forum will be warned and silenced, while Earthgirl's punishment will be "people knowing about what she said"... And hardly even that much, considering when TJ brought it up, he kept it anonymous and it was a huge circlejerk from 98% of the users about how much of a "born leader" TJ is, showing that once again, no one has any fucking idea about what they are talking about.
Trolling Dragon Cave
Being so full of wankers and drama whores, Dragon Cave is ripe for the trolling. Here are some easy, fun ways to fuck with Dragon Cave users that will guarantee plentiful and beautiful lulz.
Go into a thread in Dragon Requests and edit somebody's precious pixel dragon without asking. It doesn't matter if you improve it or completely rape it, just touching it without asking is grounds for causing drama. If the spriter asks you politely to not edit their work, argue with them and tell them you improved it to get a rise.
For even greater lulz, make a thread in Suggestions/Requests with edits to an in-cave sprite (remember, do NOT ask permission!). Again, it doesn't matter whether you make the sprite better or worse than it was, but improve it (not hard) for even more self-important drama.
UPDATE: Some commendable soul went and did this, much to Lythiaren's chagrin.
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..... No.
No she didn't.
And I'm going to sit here and glare in a passive-aggressive manner until she realizes exactly who I am.
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— Lythiaren, who thinks she's actually somebody worth giving a fuck about.
Unfortunately, the mods deleted said anon's hard work to protect the feelings of the fragile spriters, so if you follow in their footsteps, make sure you get the attention of one of the artists before posting it so they can receive a good and proper raping from your unauthorized edits.
During holiday releases, the forums are full of lazy fanbrats looking for people to log into their scroll and catch eggs for them. Volunteer to be a catcher for one of the whiny noob retards, and after the gullible noob gives you their password - and believe me, in their desperation for pixel dragons, plenty will - change the password, then kill or release their rarest dragons (holiday dragons, golds, silvers, tinsels, neglecteds, and Guardians of Nature are good candidates) or, if they’re eggs or hatchlings, abandon them. TJ won’t do anything to repair the damage, since giving away your password is against the rules, so the moron’s loss is permanent. It's best if you can manage to do this to several lazy fanbrats before getting banned. The more the whinier!
In the General Discussion forum, post anything with a conservative/Republican/Redneck bend to it. Insult homosexuals, trannies, non-whites, Jews, or pretty much any other of the Democrats' pet "minority" groups; say abortion is wrong, Jesus is right, and that anyone who disagrees is going to Hell. You're sure to get at least 100 of the local gay/nigger/tranny/Jewish/all of the above aspies jumping all over the bait.
Behold! The mighty God of DragonCave!
And TJ09 grabbed his computer and said, "Let there be DragCave," and there was a shitty pixel game.
This is the equivalent of the crucifix on DC.
I obviously know what sarcasm means!
Baby bird equals baby dragon, they're 100% the same thing!
PokemonFan proves her wrong and DolphinSong vanishes.
I'm going to explain this as simple as I can for your tiny brain..
I'll just continue to stick with my logic
Maybe I'll sound superior if I mention my special Rosebud.
WHY CAN'T YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING HEAD?!
Further proof they are made of fail.
Write congress- Sabbita will Proofread.
unwarranted self-importance alert!
The CEO strikes back
It took you this long to figure out loli is a troll?
The post that murdered the pixels.
You've forced my BAWWWWW.
PPL SAY MEEN THING. :(
How dare you criticize our precious pixels!
Typical paranoid reaction to common sense and compliments.
