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You are still hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on your servers. Remove it immediately or I will sue you for $100,000/day. Respond to me ASAP.
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—Kimmo Alm, On being fucking crazy

Moot posted this below on 4chan on March 10, 2010 (the original page is archived at The Bibliotheca Anonoma):

The good moot of course knew better than to ruin his site with a CAPTCHA, which most spambots can read better than humans by now anyways.


The archive of the email content is in the section below titled, "Kimmo Alm Emails".

From http://content.4chan.org/tmp/kimmo_alm_emails.html Retreived March 12, 2010

Notice how Kimmo lies about spamming and then immediately asks for a link exchange. Not very convincing. Also notice how Kimmo likes to put the same thing for the subject and body of a message, which is something that auto-bans you if you do it on anontalk.com.

For the "illegal clone" comment, it's because Jan Martin was an ex-moderator of AnonTalk who after getting banned, went to found the first clone of AnonTalk, Tinychan, and then spammed it on AnonTalk and got Kimmo butthurt ever since.

Kimmo Alm Emails

This text contains all of the e-mails Kimmo Alm aka Sysop has sent me. It also contains all of my responses, and a few of the e-mails sent to our host.

See ED for the backstory. The short of it is Kimmo has been spamming 4chan for YEARS. We've banned THOUSANDS of IPs, and deleted at least a hundred thousand spam posts at this point. He spams 4chan to advertise his website, which is really just a haven for pedophiles.

On to the fun stuff! (My comments in '**'s)

EDIT 2: An ex-moderator from AnT has posted a bunch of hilarious PMs from Kimmo, all of which show he is completely insane. (Download wiseguy.zip from The Bibliotheca Anonoma)

**Here's the first e-mail he ever sent. He later claims he didn't, but that's bullshit (see headers).** 

To: [email protected]
Subject: Why bully loli?
From: "Kimmo Alm" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:31:10 +0100
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Why do you bully loli?

**Why yes, I'd love to exchange links with someone who has been spamming my website for 1.5 years! Not.** 

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:41:33 +0100
To: [email protected]
Subject: Link exchange
Reply-To: [email protected]
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

Wanna exchange permanent links?

**This is the first real converastion I've ever had with him.** 

To: [email protected]
Subject: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:47:49 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

Hello. Please respond to this if you are reading it. We both want to end  
attacks and spam on both boards.

---

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:54:57 -0500
From: moot <[email protected]>
To: AT Sysop <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

I'm pretty sure any problems you have with 4chan would disappear if you 
stopped advertising/"spamming" on 4chan.

---

To: moot <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:17:27 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

> I'm pretty sure any problems you have with 4chan would disappear if you  
> stopped advertising/"spamming" on 4chan.

(Apparently, you don't know your own users...)

I did send you several e-mails about this in the past but they apparently  
got ignored. I hope that you will read and consider this, in case you  
actually never got the old e-mails. Or maybe reconsider it, if you did and  
just ignored them.

None of us like each other, obviously, but I still seriously propose that  
we set up some sort of mutual link exchange. This would obviously cut down  
on any spam to the level of "few trolls trying to stir up a war", and  
hopefully, not even that would happen after a while.

I actually used to have a free banner text for 4chan, linking to "/b/"  
with a text such as "Tired of using your brains? Relax and enjoy images."  
(or something alone those lines). I would be prepared to bring that back,  
as well as removing all the banned phrases related to "4chan". In return,  
I expect you would put a rotating text or graphical banner (doesn't  
matter) on the 4chan boards. It doesn't need to get heavy "weight" or  
anything, as long as it sticks around and is permanent.

I really think that this would solve a ton of problems and I frankly  
cannot imagine why you would turn this offer down at this point.  
Hopefully, you will not. We don't need to like each other. The two boards  
obviously serve completely different needs, and I would very happily get  
rid of "sloppy" posters who just want to use memes and such. At the same  
time, I do recognize that there are people with brains surfing your board,  
and nothing stops them from using both.

As I suggested the last time, I'm OK with rather "unflattering" ad texts  
such as: "Feeling anal-retentive? Then check out AnonTalk.com!". However,  
it would be nice if we could agree on the specifics. I'm prepared to do  
this within hours.

Think about it. Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to  
spam/"raid" either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to  
disagree.

Excitedly awaiting your response.

---

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:30:53 -0500
From: moot <[email protected]>
To: AT Sysop <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

This is the only e-mail I've received from you:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Why bully loli?
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:31:10 +0100
From: Kimmo Alm <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]

Why do you bully loli?

-

We don't do any external links, besides paid banner ads. Essentially 
you're extorting a text link out of me to stop spamming 4chan?

 > Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid" 
either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.

4channers wouldn't give two shits about AnonTalk if you stopped spamming 
4chan. All you've done for the past two years is use spam on 4chan as a 
means to advertise your website.

---

To: moot <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:35:36 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

> This is the only e-mail I've received from you:

What the hell? I definitely haven't sent anything related to "bullying  
loli", and especially not to you. That must be yet another person  
pretending to be me.

I've sent several e-mails such as this one a number of months ago. They  
never received any replies.

> We don't do any external links, besides paid banner ads. Essentially  
> you're extorting a text link out of me to stop spamming 4chan?

No, that's not what I'm saying. Did you read the letter?

>  > Nobody (or at least much fewer) would have a reason to spam/"raid"  
> either board if both link to each other, while agreeing to disagree.
>
> 4channers wouldn't give two shits about AnonTalk if you stopped spamming  
> 4chan. All you've done for the past two years is use spam on 4chan as a  
> means to advertise your website.

Right. You apparently choose to ignore the real issue and assume things in  
order to dismiss this very serious proposal.

I really thought that you would see things differently, but apparently  
not. In a few days, AT is two years old and it would have been a great  
"fresh start" to not have any chantards constantly coming there to scream  
and post junk due to "spam" in threads.

You think advertising is free on AT? It's not. I was (and still am, but  
not for long) prepared to give you a prominent backlink as well, but you  
seem completely uninterested in this.

It would be a simple matter of displaying a small link randomly on every  
Xth page load across the boards. If you don't already have such a system  
in order, which I believe you do, it would be extremely easy to code.

The offer still stands, but this really is the last time I'm going to try  
to reason with you. I actually do have better things to do than sending  
fruitless e-mails.

(I can make a small custom graphical banner if you want, and you can get a  
(static) image banner as well.)

---

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:54:48 -0500
From: moot <[email protected]>
To: AT Sysop <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

 > The offer still stands

Your offer is: "I will stop spamming you if you link to me."

Am I missing something here?

---

To: moot <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:14:45 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

>  > The offer still stands
>
> Your offer is: "I will stop spamming you if you link to me."

No, that's not it. It's: "If both of us link to each other's board, which  
are not in direct competition, this should finally stop most/all problems  
related to attacks and counter attacks."

> Am I missing something here?

Yes. I must say that I thought that you would either not respond at all,  
or do respond positively.

Do you have any idea how much money, time and grey hairs your users and  
their damn attacks have cost me? You let them go on. I'm saying that I'm  
willing to look past that for the greater good, but you insist on being  
hostile. I won't start praising 4chan all of a sudden -- I think its users  
have done far more damage to the Internet than anything else -- but it  
can't be denied that it's got traffic, with a certain number of posters  
who would also make great "AnTs", and that's why I care.

If you don't respond to this, or yet again ignore what I write, I'll know  
that you're not interested, and in that case, I will give up all attempts  
to talk to you and won't contact you again. Otherwise (and I really hope  
that this will be the case), I can have the 4chan ad active very quickly.  
You don't need to make a big deal out of it (such as announcing it in any  
way) if you fear user reactions.

---

Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:42:23 -0500
From: moot <[email protected]>
To: AT Sysop <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Please respond to this test.

Why would I want you to link to me?

I'd like for you to stop spamming (read: advertising) on 4chan. None of 
my users would bother with your site if you weren't spamming it non-stop.

**He stopped e-mailing me after that. The next encounter happened a few weeks later.** 

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:45:09 +0100
To: [email protected]
Subject: What the fuck is this tiny.4chan.org clone bullshit?
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

What the hell is this illegal clone of my work doing hosted with you? Yet  
more spam to block from you.

I strongly suggest that you remove any affiliation with the illegal clone  
ASAP or legal action will be taken.

**I didn't respond. He then sent the following to me 9 times:** 

Subject: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:05:05 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately. You will  
regret this. Believe me. Don't fuck with me.

**To which I responded:** 

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:25:22 -0500
From: moot <[email protected]>
To: AT Sysop <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.

Sorry, I didn't see those first few e-mails you sent. Please contact me 
at my primary e-mail address to expedite future delivery: [email protected].

Thank you in advance.


On 2/28/10 7:05 PM, AT Sysop wrote:
> I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately. You will
> regret this. Believe me. Don't fuck with me.

**He responded with this. Note that he actually e-mailed [email protected] :trollface:** 

To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: I'm warning you, asshole. Remove the illegal clone immediately.
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:31:07 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

> Sorry, I didn't see those first few e-mails you sent. Please contact me  
> at my primary e-mail address to expedite future delivery:  
> [email protected].
>
> Thank you in advance.

That's not your primary e-mail address, you psychotic troll.

Remove that crap from your servers or I will have your domain name  
deactivated and you kicked out from your host. This time, you are  
blatantly hosting illegal material, knowingly. Not even you will get away  
with this.

First you clone the Japanese board, and now my work. You just can't seem  
to create anything original, can you?

I unbanned the banned phrase "4chan" at AT and asked you very nicely for a  
link exchange to end the "war", and this is how you respond? You have some  
sort of mental illness. I will not drop this.

**He then sent me this three times:** 

To: [email protected]
Subject: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain
 name and hosting services.
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:02:52 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain name  
and hosting services.

**I replied:** 

Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:59:38 -0500
From: moot <[email protected]>
To: AT Sysop <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your
 domain name and hosting services.

I'm unsure of what the issue is. 4chan is almost seven years old, and 
that subdomain has existed since 2003. That predates AnT, no?


On 2/28/10 10:02 PM, AT Sysop wrote:
> You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your domain
> name and hosting services.

**My logic did not please him :(** 

To: moot <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: You have 24 hours to remove the clone. You will then lose your
 domain name and hosting services.
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:19:19 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

> I'm unsure of what the issue is. 4chan is almost seven years old, and  
> that subdomain has existed since 2003. That predates AnT, no?

You are extremely sure of what the issue is. The subdomain has certainly  
NOT existed since 2003. Why are you a liar?

And it's "AT" -- not "AnT". I can't even tell if you're seriously this  
stupid or a troll.

Just remove the damn thing.

**I got like fifty of the following three messages:** 

Subject: If I still see spam for your illegal clone in 12 hours, you will
 regret the day you were born.
To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:32:00 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

If I still see spam for your illegal clone in 12 hours, you will regret  
the day you were born.

Get that FUCKING clone off the Internet or you will lose your domain name  
4chan.org and your hosting setup. I'm not kidding.

---

Subject: I will continue contacting your domain registrar and server host
 until the domain is deactivated or the subdomain and illegal AT clone is gone
 from your server.
To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:42:22 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

I will continue contacting your domain registrar and server host until the  
domain is deactivated or the subdomain and illegal AT clone is gone from  
your server.

---

Subject: This is your very last warning and the last e-mail I will ever send
 to you.
To: [email protected]
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:21:56 +0100

I'm NOT going to let you get away with stealing my hard work and
pretending that you're the author.

If you don't remove the illegal clone of my Web site immediately, you are
going to lose your domain name 4chan.org, your hosting provider and huge
amounts of money. I am going to ruin you. Do you understand what I'm
saying? This is not some fucking joke or "game".

Remove it RIGHT NOW or you WILL regret it, you complete psycho thief
dipshit.

**So those are all the e-mails he's sent me over the past few years. Now here are some of the awesome ones he sent our host!**

**He sent variations of this a bunch of times:** 

-----Original Message-----
From: AT Sysop [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:36
To: [email protected]
Subject: You are STILL hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web
site on your servers. Legal action will be taken very soon.
Importance: High

You are still hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org" of my Web site on
your servers. Remove it immediately or I will sue you for $100,000/day.
Respond to me ASAP.

-----Original Message-----
From: AT Sysop [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 13:24
Subject: Re: You are STILL hosting the illegal clone "tinychan.org"
of my Web site on your servers. Legal action will be taken very soon.

> Sysop-
>
> I am still awaiting your response to the DMCA counter-notification per
> requirement. Per the requirement of the DMCA, we are REQUIRED to permit
> the content of the DMCA until you provide information regarding the
> lawsuit filed in district court.
>
> As soon as we get this, we are more than happy to assist you further.
> However, we must get this PRIOR to further action being taken against
> this customer.

You are not REQUIRED to permit illegal content on your servers. You just
DON'T WANNA remove it. You don't FEEL like it, because you don't like me,
my Web site, my "tone" or whatever reason you might have for keeping this
"game" up. I'm not stupid. If you actually wanted to, the site would be
gone within nano seconds. You choose to keep this psychopath because you
want to make it difficult for me.

This is typical. WHY do you have to keep making my life an obnoxious hell?
I have WORK to do; I can't spend all my time dealing with these fucking
uncooperative companies that don't know their own good.

I won't send you any more documents. You will either remove the illegal
content from your God damn server OR face the consequences. I am DONE
filling out these bullshit forms and sending them in to you and other
people who don't even read them. Handle this immediately or you'll regret
it. I promise you this. This is not an empty threat by some nobody -- it
is a serious matter which will eventually run your company into
bankruptcy. It may take some time, but I will not forget this.

PS: I have no idea who you are and I don't have anything against
you personally. My issue is with your company and how you are handling
legitimate abuse complaints.

**He proceeded to spam their ticket system with hundreds upon hundreds of e-mails. He also threatened a tech.**

**UPDATE 03/12/2010: Kimmo sent me the following e-mail claiming that the e-mails I posted are "fake". I am flattered that he thinks I would go through all that trouble! I'll post all of the e-mails with full headers later next week.** 

Subject: You will remove your clone and fake e-mails immediately. Otherwise, say
good bye to 4chan.<br />
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:48:39 +0100
From: "AT Sysop" <[email protected]>

You will remove your clone and fake e-mails immediately. Otherwise, say
good bye to 4chan.

**UPDATE 03/16/2010: Kimmo has been circulating/spamming a fake email, "mootard.txt", which purports to be from me/mocking him. Oh Kimmo-chan ^_^~ I've gotten e-mails from two Swedes who have dealt with Kimmo in the past—both are genuinely afraid of him, and insist that he is an extremely disturbed individual. Full headers coming next week when I'm less busy.**

**UPDATE 03/20/2010: Kimmo sent me this 500 times through a remailer:** 

To: [email protected]
Subject: YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL287
X-PHP-Script: buyblackamericana.com/emailscript2.php for 12.68.141.118
From: [email protected]@ebaumsworld.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:08:37 -0500
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with
any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gvo141118.gvodatacenter.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - 4chan.org
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [652 32003] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gvo141118.gvodatacenter.com
X-Source: /usr/bin/php
X-Source-Args: /usr/bin/php /home/buyblack/public_html/emailscript2.php
X-Source-Dir: buyblackamericana.com:/public_html

Fuck you, this shit has got to stop? It never will, you know what you\'ve done, and
now you will pay in court. 
918317b57931b6b7a7d29490fe5ec9f9

**UPDATE 03/23/2010: Here's the latest from Dear Leader. Also, as promised, here's a text file that contains his e-mails with full headers.**

Note the discrepancy between "several months now" and "a few days ago". That really grinds my gears!

    From: AT Sysop [1]
    Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:25 AM
    To: Abuse Team
    Subject: Illegal clone of my software hosted on your servers: tiny.4chan.org (URGENT!)

    Dear OC3 Networks,

    The owner of the domain 4chan.org, "moot", has, I believe for what must be several months now, been hosting http://tiny.4chan.org/ on your servers. It is an illegal, unauthorized verbatim clone of my original, copyrighted, closed source work http://www.AnonTalk.com/. My board was unique and started in early 2008. This board was put up a few days ago, in year 2010, and has copied everything from the structure and messages to ideas and feature. It is hidden underneath a shell that is supposed to look somewhat different, however, in order to fool people looking into abuse complaints such as this one. Yes, it sounds unlikely, but this person is a dangerous thief and psychopath and, together with his "crew" of Internet "trolls", has been harassing me for years.

    I have sent many e-mails to him, but he ignores them entirely or sends mocking replies back. The owner of the domain is known as a copycat and the entire Web site 4chan.org (cloned of a Japanese BBS) revolves around copyright violations and organizing illegal "raids" and harassments of people in real life and on the Internet. The Web site's userbase has been very seriously harassing our board for over two years now with daily spam, "trolling" and DDoS attacks, all organized on 4chan.org and allowed, encouraged and sometimes *initiated* by the "creator" (I wouldn't call it "creating" when you just copy and paste a concept).

    The clone in question, which is the main part of my complaint, incorrectly claims copyright of the software and has a fake copyright year stated in the meta data (and possibly on the board itself -- I refuse to check it any longer). This is obviously inaccurate and just one of the many attempts to damage us.

    I have carefully read up on your AUP, ToS and legal documents, and American law, and it is completely clear to me that you are required not only by your own policies, but the actual law, to remove 4chan.org from your servers, effective immediately. The next best thing, as far as we are concerned, is for you to get this person to at least remove the subdomain "tiny.4chan.org", as this is separate from the main site. The main site is not violating our specific IPs, and may continue in a "worst case" scenario as far as we are concerned. (Although it is still illegal and violates your policies and many laws; you may want to look into that separately when we are done with each other.)

    Our only demand is that either you convince the owner to remove the illegal subdomain board, or remove all hosting for 4chan. If you comply, no legal action will be taken toward OC3 Networks.

    Should you still continue to ignore this request, legal action will very soon be taken toward OC3 Networks. We take this extremely seriously and will demand a large amount of money for all the damages that your client (and, by proxy, you) has caused us in terms of uptime, goodwill, labor and intellectual property damages.

    Your sincerely,
    AT Sysop.


I think that's about it. Kimmo has sent all sorts of great e-mails to Jan Martin of Tinychan, most of which are on Encyclopedia Dramatica. He's also posted all sorts of crazy bulletins on his site, which are also archived in various places.

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