Talk:Transgender

I'll just look at photos

And ignore the text. BitchwithBallClippers 14:34, 27 December 2012 (EST)

There is no such thing as trangenderism. It's just autogynephilia.

• All trannys are just perverts who get a boner at the though of boning a female version of themselves. So says (sort of) one of the pioneers of sex change surgery. We should make some changes to this page and change the title to "autogynephilia". It'll really piss off any tranny that sees it. I'm gonna do it later and if anyone doesn't like it they can change it back. oddguy 08:37, 12 June 2015 (EDT)

Support 100%, it's a delusion all the way. Is that a Mayo Clinic source? Can't remember the pioneer / denunciation hospital. —  VX  08:40, 12 June 2015 (EDT)

Sceptre tries on a new wig

What's remarkable to me is how many of them pull the "pre-op tranny lesbian" claim... iow they might be doing it to get laid. i can't imagine this plan actually working tho. -hipcrime 20:47, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

• funny that Oddguy posted that, and just a few day later a feminist agrees here:

I give more weight to discussing autogynephilia because this new crop of MtT seems very different to me than their older counterparts. Older MtT (like Jenner's age) tend to be successful men who have lived their whole life as men -- though with their fetish destroying their personal relationships, as Jenner's did with his wives and many of his children -- and who transition when they retire and can indulge themselves full-time in performing their fetish. They are doing just what they want after reaping the rewards of a lifetime of male privilege, and their self-absorption doesn't allow for much time or inclination to act out hostility against women.
The younger set, on the other hand, seem to be driven by much different stressors to transition. They feel like they've failed as men. They've failed at forming relationships with women, probably because the majority of them are crypto-MRAs without even realizing it. They are in their twenties and early thirties and have been raised on a steady diet of increasingly violent porn since their childhoods, and they see all women and especially all lesbians through that filter. They expect sexual accommodation from women, even lesbians, as their right. They are usually socially awkward, self-isolated, and incapable of sustaining even friendships and family relationships because of an overwhelming solipsism. Their psyches turn inward and fester like an ingrown nail. Their idea of women's minds is from porn, their idea of women's lives from MRA redpill nonsense, and their conception of women's bodies is a warped reflection built entirely from the perspective of the male gaze.
When they can't "get" the woman they know they deserve and are owed, they become that woman, their own obsessive love object, with endless preening and dressing up and "girly" trappings. But the fantasy is no fun without an audience, and a female audience since they are almost always straight, so now it's time to find a real girl to play along! If that's not possible with a willing woman (or a conscripted one, like a bewildered partner) then they gratify their fetish by invading the spaces and privacy of unwilling women; relishing in their ability to force their way in and demand acceptance, relishing the fear and distress they cause to the women and girls whom they make uncomfortable with their unwanted presence. They made us notice them, they made us pay attention to them, they forced us to acknowledge their fetish cross-dressed presence as a "real woman."
If they are denied that outlet, no matter what the area from women's health care to MichFest, they erupt in the frustrated rage of male entitlement. Many of them genuinely hate women on a conscious or subconscious level, and of those a significant subset are violent. They are the ones who worry me, far more than Jenner's ilk. IMO they represent a significant threat not just to the gains of feminism and female solidarity, but also to the actual lives and safety of women in a way that the old guard never did.

• -hipcrime 21:04, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

• This is just some really bad armchair psychology influenced more by ideology and only really goes to prove that radfems hate trannys because they still see them as men. oddguy 09:53, 15 June 2015 (EDT)