FlatChan/Lolicon is illegal

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Lolicon is Illegal Part 1: The Great Oper Abused #flatchan Debate

So one day a troll on #flatchan got into a spirited debate about the legality of Lolicon, despite the fact Demonbaine is Scottish, he does not mind telling others who are from the US about their own laws (typical eurofag snobbery).

<shirkingmeh> lawl disco fucking owns
<shirkingmeh> not reary.
<party_shaker> your the guy with the computer at the cops place
<shirkingmeh> wut.. is going on today flatchan.
<shirkingmeh> WAS* the guy
<shirkingmeh> or thing.
<shirkingmeh> =3
<party_shaker> what happened?
<shirkingmeh> um, friend got pwnd because she was selling amphetamines and was part of some drug ring.
<party_shaker> did they find your lolicon?
<shirkingmeh> cause i was a friend and my email etc etc ws on her computtterz i got mah shit jacked
<shirkingmeh> no
<shirkingmeh> wouldnt matter if they did really either...
<shirkingmeh> i wiped my hdd with remote desktop from work rite as they called me.... =3
<party_shaker> your silly you know that
<shirkingmeh> i knu
<shirkingmeh> i was actualy worried about the sfotware i had, but that was really it.
<Kokonoe> oh noez u have loli ur gonna get V&
<party_shaker> see cause if they took that machine a simple recovery of the volume would have revealed you had loli
<shirkingmeh> probably.
<shirkingmeh> loli isnt illegal so idc
<shirkingmeh> the adobe software and the os were...
<party_shaker> shirkingmeh: US v. Boucher
<party_shaker> look into it
<shirkingmeh> lazy
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<party_shaker> they're punishing people under the PROTECT act
<party_shaker> you only need to read the federal statute
<party_shaker> it's illegal
<shirkingmeh> what
<shirkingmeh> cake?
<shirkingmeh> lol
<party_shaker> period. end of sentence. full stop.
<shirkingmeh> nonono... we arent using type writers.
<Kokonoe> We went over this already. Technically illegal since people are dumb, but rarely enforced, and even then nothing usually comes of it
<shirkingmeh> what is technically illegal
<shirkingmeh> are we talking about loli pron
<shirkingmeh> or software
<Kokonoe> loli
<shirkingmeh> its not "technicaly" illegal in the US
<party_shaker> is it against the law? yes i can site the statute. Wether or not it is enforced is not an issue. It is illegal due to the PROTECT act.
<party_shaker> period
<shirkingmeh> it is only legal via kind of a not really 'real' loop hole.
<party_shaker> no
<party_shaker> you're all wrong
<shirkingmeh> lol
<shirkingmeh> who the fuck is this person
<Kokonoe> enough of that 'period' crap, it's not that simple
<shirkingmeh> if it was real cp yes
<shirkingmeh> it is
<party_shaker> thats a given
<shirkingmeh> but no
<shirkingmeh> its not
<party_shaker> it is
<party_shaker> us v. boucher
<party_shaker> look it up
<shirkingmeh> give me a link and i might actualy read it
<Kokonoe> The law is generally used to compound charges of CP, it has no real bearing on those who possess only loli
<party_shaker> they're trying to get into his laptop because a customs agent saw "japanese manga images of children having sex"
<party_shaker> no it does
<shirkingmeh> yeah
<Jiburiru> theres alot of so called loopholes
<shirkingmeh> because they think he could have cp
<party_shaker> there are no loopholes 
<shirkingmeh> read them
<shirkingmeh> it is not a loop hole
<shirkingmeh> it is just a dumb thing our government does with art
<shirkingmeh> but liek i said
<shirkingmeh> the only reason they are trying to go through his computer is because of the loli, they think he could have cp
<Jiburiru> and the fact that its artwork in which no one is actually physically affected, it is technically protected by the first amendment
<shirkingmeh> loli itself is in no way illegal
<party_shaker> "Prohibits drawings, sculptures, and pictures of such drawings and sculptures depicting minors in actions or situations that meet the (Miller test) of being obscene, OR are engaged in [[sex]] acts that are deemed to meet the same obscene condition."
<Kokonoe> If the police try to V& me just because I have loli, I'll fight it in court to the end
<party_shaker> read and weep
<shirkingmeh> the miller test is NOT
<demonbaine> that law if im croorect forbids convicted pedophiles from processing the recent bill making it illegal was struck down by the law courts in feb
<shirkingmeh> the actual law
<shirkingmeh> it is only a law in one state
<shirkingmeh> dont throw miller bull shit at my face
<party_shaker> you're not correct demonbane
<party_shaker> that was a probation violation but they made the protect act charge stick
<demonbaine> otherwise flat would be down as well as many loli sites
<party_shaker> they're probably monitoring it
<shirkingmeh> so?
<shirkingmeh> they can't do any thing about it.
<shirkingmeh> its not illegal in the US and if flat's server is located in the us
<shirkingmeh> who gives a fuck.
<shirkingmeh> i would of been vaned long ago if loli was illega
<Kokonoe> that means about as much as banning p2p, don't give in to scare tactics party_shaker
<shirkingmeh> srsly.
<shirkingmeh> The miller act
<shirkingmeh> never got passed
<demonbaine> im sorry i have been following and a seperate law outlawing lolicon was brung before the house in october passed in december struck down by the law courts in feb protect only covers virtual porn realistic cp
<shirkingmeh> it got looked at by ONE state
<shirkingmeh> and they tried to bring it to the whole country
<shirkingmeh> but no, i dont think it is even in said states amendment
<shirkingmeh> google what state, because i dont remember and i dont want to.
<Kokonoe> Yeah, realistic stuff should be banned like some 3D, but not 2D anime-style art
<Jiburiru> 3d is disgusting
<party_shaker> Kokoone: If i get caught with an mp3, i'd imagine i could shake it in a jury trial. Try shaking animated kids being tenticle raped.
<Jiburiru> lol
<Kokonoe> 'animated' being the key word
<party_shaker> doesnt matter
<party_shaker> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors.
<party_shaker> thats the part of the law that effects it
<Jiburiru> how can they arrest you for ANIMATING kids being TENTACLE raped
<party_shaker> 18 USC 2225 i think
<shirkingmeh> ok, how about i walk into a fucking police station and show them hmm..... the seen at the end of jiburiru' the devil angle, final season 1 ep if that bitch getting tentacle raped
<shirkingmeh> NOTHING< would happen.
<shirkingmeh> its not illegal.
<shirkingmeh> i invite you to do that.
<party_shaker> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors.
<party_shaker> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors.'
<party_shaker> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors.'
<shirkingmeh> go ahead, video tape it.
<party_shaker> it is
<shirkingmeh> put it on you tube
<shirkingmeh> try it
<Kokonoe> I can distinguish between fantasy and reality, it's not my fault if those who follow the letter of the law rather than the spirit can't
<demonbaine> party that means any cp using a actor that looks like a child
<party_shaker> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252A.html
<party_shaker> i didn't make the law
<demonbaine> or has been altered digitally to look minor so called teen porn barely legal
<party_shaker> and it's about animated stuff that involves kids
<shirkingmeh> no shit, but you arent fully understanding said law that you are spamming about.
<party_shaker> no i am demonbaine
<Kokonoe> You're interpreting the law in a way that makes it seem like we're all gonna get V&. It's not gonna happen
<demonbaine> well party leave dont dl it
<party_shaker> i don't
<party_shaker> point being: is they see it they can arrest you
<party_shaker> as of now
<shirkingmeh> stfu a second and i will tell you why it is not illegal, it has every thing to do with the "allged child pornography was not produced blah blah blah.
<shirkingmeh> nm
<demonbaine> if that law covered what you thought there would have been no need for a dedicated law in october - that was srtuck down
<Kokonoe> <party_shaker> (2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors. <-- I mean, what is that? If no actual children were exploited or abused in any way, why would it be illegal?
<party_shaker> it was struck down, similar laws were struck down twice
<party_shaker> because they said it should be
<shirkingmeh> that's just it. it was struck down, and is not a law. and thus doesnt affect any of us. what. so. ever.
<demonbaine> then what are you fapping about
<party_shaker> thats why 
<shirkingmeh> wait wait
<shirkingmeh> why the fuck are you even here any way?
<party_shaker> similar laws were struck down
<party_shaker> not that one
<Kokonoe> same reason peer is here
<shirkingmeh> gtfo if you are just going to spew shit.
<party_shaker> no
<shirkingmeh> weeeel
<shirkingmeh> then im going to gtfo
<Kokonoe> lol
<shirkingmeh> have fun with said nigger. = /
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<Jiburiru> ...
<party_shaker> point being: the law coveres digital pictures of child-like persons in sexual positions. The law says it does not matter if the children were base on real people
<Jiburiru> your a dick head party_shaker
<Kokonoe> lol fear/hate mongering, we're not dumb
<Jiburiru> you dont know what your talking about
<party_shaker> call me a dick all you want i'm speaking the truth
* You have been kicked from #flatchan by demonbaine (stop spreading crap #5)
* Now talking on #flatchan
* Topic for #flatchan is: #flatchan | Loli central
* Topic for #flatchan set by [email protected] at Sat May 10 14:00:31 2008
<demonbaine> party shaker you spreading stuff that already been sorted knj
<shirkingmeh> hey party shaker, guess wut. = /
<party_shaker> you know i really do not appreciate oper abuse in a debate
<shirkingmeh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8VPp-DPCk8&feature=PlayList&p=83A5D5717563AEA4&index=0
<shirkingmeh> click that
<shirkingmeh> guess wut it is
<shirkingmeh> lolicon
<Kokonoe> That's THE loli [[anime]]. That an Ichigo Mashimaro
<shirkingmeh> where?
<shirkingmeh> you tube
<party_shaker> you know i really do not appreciate oper abuse in a debate
<party_shaker> don;t do that again
<party_shaker> now
<shirkingmeh> its the interenet
<demonbaine> no i know whe someone is messing around in the channel trying to troll ppl
<party_shaker> i'm not clikcing on that
<shirkingmeh> shut the fuck up before i start calling you a nigger for not listning
<party_shaker> i'm not trolling stupid
<shirkingmeh> so
<Kokonoe> party shaker = peer?
<Kokonoe> acts like him
<shirkingmeh> probably.
<party_shaker> no
<shirkingmeh> lawl
* demonbaine sets ban on *!*@Rizon-90808172.dhcp.embarqhsd.net
* demonbaine sets ban on *!*party_sha@*.dhcp.embarqhsd.net
* You have been kicked from #flatchan by demonbaine (You've been dying since the day you were born. ( banned ) #6)

What a dick. I oughta lump you out IRL, Demonbaine. You too, Kokonoe.

Lolicon is illegal Part 2: Staff Admits It's Illegal (which IRC is a violation of Rizon rules, LOL BANTOWN)

So I connected again much later on with a proxy....

<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> why is there a link up there about child porn?
<Flonne-chan> where?
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-9994159-46.html
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> in the topic
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> why does that concren us though
<Flonne-chan> because lolicon is a "Target"
<TheFrink> what can lolicon be misconstrued as?
<TheFrink> nubcake
<Flonne-chan> and lolicon can be misconstrued as CP
<Flonne-chan> as one comment says... absolute power corrupts absolutely
<Flonne-chan> besides, what gives one group the absolute right to intercept my [[internet]] data without my knowledge or consent
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> Fionne-Chan, so you're saying that ultimatly, these laws are being used to ban loli, under the guise of CP?
<Flonne-chan> yep
<TheFrink> ain't censorship a bitch?
<Flonne-chan> this goes beyond censorship
<Flonne-chan> carte-blanche access to anyones internet data under the guise of "protecting the kids"
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> wait i just want to get this clear, they are in fact trying to make lolicon illegal, under PROTECT? they're trying to enforce PROTECT provisions that are unconstitutional?
<Flonne-chan> the thing is, theyre doing it by association
<Flonne-chan> not an act of law
<Flonne-chan> effectively "guilty by association"
<Flonne-chan> then again, seems like any constitutional right can be waived aside under a few broad banners... "protecting against terrorists." and "Protecting the nations Youth"
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> but PROTECT says that it doesnt mater if real kids are involved
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> .....so it was, under this [[insane]] law, illegal already, am i right?
<Flonne-chan> again, illegal by association
<Flonne-chan> yeah
* guuchan has quit (Killed (summer (OH BTW GRATS)))
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<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> so let me get this perfectly clear, it's already illegal under PROTECT, there's a provision that relates to "regardless if the child exists or not". Man that sucks
<Flonne-chan> yeah
<Kawaii_neko_boi_69> ok thanks for clearing that up

God juped Demonbanes handle IRL

Demonbane has not been heard from according to oper Cheesey, in about a year. He was terminally ill just after this happened. Is it assumed he is dead. He died in Scotland.

Couldn't have happened to a better person.

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