Talk:Malaysia

The discussion from article entitled "Malaysia" had been move to here because the ED is for article.

"Eh what do you think about Anonymous hacking/defacing Government websites in response to the blocking of TPB, wikileaks, YNC, etc? Chi Too isn't happy and is all "there is a difference between government and political parties" but I'm not too sure that distinction exists, at least not in that particular clear-cut manner, and perhaps not in the Malaysian context."

Haha. ALL GOVTS R EVILZZ YOZZ!!!!111111111

is what I would say if I were kind of anarchist. Or if I were posting on 4chan under the guise of a 'cyber-activist'. Or maybe I just like to watch kiddie porn, and governments get in the way... I think what I'm trying to say is that such actions are fun to watch, spectacular to see, but who knows what motivation lies behind them/what it actually does/what it might achieve? They are a bit of a loose cannon, aren't they? As much as I'd love to glorify/romanticize loose cannons, I can't help but be a little skeptical about its ultimate motivations. On Governments vs. Political parties - well, certainly in Malaysia they don't seem too different, and in America the Democrats and Republicans are oddly similar (which is why there's this weird backlash of the Tea Partiers etc. etc. etc.) Again, I'm a little skeptical about the distinction, simply because the idea of 'government' should be interrogated, and holding 'government' as this entity that is 'ideal' (as that thing that is 'untainted', in a sense, as opposed to 'political parties'), or 'something we can believe in' is just naive. But this is me speaking from a not-so-keen-on-nationalism/wants-to-get-away-from-nation-states perspective, so I dunno.

(Rolls eyes) No one is glorifying/romanticizing anything here, thank you very much. Everyone knows Anonymous just does stuff for shits and giggles, and you either laugh with them or be laughed at. They aren't ideological cyber anarchists or anything of the sort, they're just a bunch of stupid kids doing stupid things and suffice to say that if you react to them in a way where it becomes clear that you think they're trying to make a statement of any sort beyond "haha Malaysia Sux" you're just opening yourself to the ridicule and contempt for those 'not in the know', which they deliver in spades. They aren't into causes, they just want to stir shit up once something gets in the limelight. They don't care what the blocking of these sites mean to us, they're just reacting to percieved stupidity with more stupidity. What's so hard to figure out about that?

Oh, I guess I'm one of the people 'not-in-the-know' then. Not sure how much ridicule or contempt I deserve, though. I think the idea of Anonymous is still pretty interesting, especially in relation to identities and cyberspace and things like that. Also, I'm not sure if there's really such a thing as a 'statementless' statement - I mean, isn't 'stirring up shit' and 'reacting to stupidity with stupidity' a kind of attitude? Reminds me of some anarchists I know, that's for sure.

These people are Trolls. They thrive on the knowledge that "you're being had" and antagonize everybody who isn't part of their in-joke. The point isn't in the statement, the point is that they're getting a reaction out of you. These guys operate with a sense of exclusivity that comes with knowing what 'doing it for the lulz' means.

Sometimes I think that Anyonymous are trolling activists as much as the websites/people they hack; appropriating activist rhetoric as part of the whole "for the lulz thing". Of course the nature of Anonymous itself means that it might actually be possible that there's a certain group of individuals who do the whole Anonymous thing that do believe in these things.

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THIS PAGE SUCKS NIGGERDICK Arif 10:41, 14 September 2011 (CEST)