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ID: 32549 Original ID: 8850976 From: Dragoneer To: Silver-Seren Title: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hey, uhm... Content: <div class="bbcode bbcode_quote">Not sure if any drama will come from doing that...the drama will come when I put it into Kage's article itself. Admittedly, i'm going to have to think about the right way to word it, since his article is fairly well balanced. Somewhere in the furry section, obviously...probably after the sentence "Kage has also claimed that his cockroach fursona is also part wolf." I could put in another sentence somewhere along the lines of "This is likely a throwback to his other fursona, Rogue, who is a megawolf." Well...can I at least be assured that, if drama does emerge, I won't be kicked off of FA? ^_^;</div>No drama on FA at all. This is a Wikifur thing. =) We don't take any off site issues as a problem on FA. ID: 32558 Original ID: 8850036 From: Dragoneer To: Silver-Seren Title: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hey, uhm... Content: <div class="bbcode bbcode_quote">When you say, "I can verify", do you mean I have permission to use this PM as proof in the article or is that just to let me know? Either way, thank you for sending me the PM in the first place. I appreciate it. I was able to find <a class="auto_link" href="http://fletcherapts.comicgenesis.com/extra_rogue.htm">other proof</a>, so I don't necessarily need to use your confirmation. Though there's no denying that using your confirmation would be much, much stronger than anything I would be able to find online, really. Allan drama is funny though. I mean, he could be spending his time trying to improve his lot in life, but instead spends it creating drama for you and FA. It's sad, really.</div>I'd rather not be named in particular, but you could keep it anonymous and state it was confirmed by "an FA admin" or by "Fender". ID: 32560 Original ID: 8849792 From: Dragoneer To: Silver-Seren Title: RE: RE: RE: RE: Hey, uhm... Content: <div class="bbcode bbcode_quote">There's a difference from creating drama for drama's sake and drama resulting from someone doing what they believe is right. I believe that people have the right to know the connection between Kage and Rogue. My opinion on this would, likely, be very different if Rogue Megawolf was an old character of his that wasn't used anymore and it was something he had abandoned. Then, I would understand why he would want to disassociate himself from the past and I would respect that. However, as can be seen from the Rogue FA page, he is still firmly active. And, thus, I feel I am required to put the information on the Wikifur page. Kage being "very particular about his image" and having something like this in the shadows just strikes me as highly hypocritical, especially when he's the one touting that the fandom should be family friendly. My editorial integrity won't let me just walk away from something like this. If Greenreaper was removed just for the fact that he had an opposing opinion and stated it, then it is the rest of the staff themselves, and Kage, that are in the wrong. I don't abide by bullies who try to make everything their way and then they themselves are breaking their views in the shadows. I can't stand by and let it be a secret like that. If it's going to create drama, then it's going to create drama. So be it. The only issue I have currently is that I am finding it hard to find any information on the connection between them, which is why I was so sure they were not the same person previously. It clearly is a very well-guarded secret. Ironically, the only real proof I have is this PM conversation between us, but since I am quite sure you don't wish to be involved or even insinuated in this, i'm going to have to keep looking. I'm sure i'll find something eventually. There has to be something out there that proves the connection.</div>I don't either. Believe me, I'm not a fan of Kagemushi. I was kick off AC staff too, and the last thing Kage ever said to me was "Welcome to my shitlist, asshole." and has never spoken to me since (and never wanted to hear my side of the story, either). Like Greenreaper, I also stood up for the right thing... and got trounced. But I do try to stop drama when I can. Whatever action you take is up to you. I can verify that Kage is Rogue, they're on the same IP, they account shows log outs from one and right into the other. Whatever action you take is up to you. I'm no fan of Kage, especially given he tells people *NOT* to use FA... but I don't like drama either (except for Allan, but that's another story). ID: 32562 Original ID: 8849386 From: Dragoneer To: Silver-Seren Title: RE: RE: Hey, uhm... Content: <div class="bbcode bbcode_quote">Bad juju in what sense? Because...if it's the truth, then, as an editor of Wikifur, I feel I have an obligation to put the information on there. If it's something that Kage will then end up going to GreenReaper to have removed...well, there's nothing I can do about that. But, let me just say that I would lose an immense amount of respect for him as a furry, an administrator for Anthrocon, and as a person.</div>Well, it's up to you. I used to be Anthrocon Ops Staff, and Kage and I went back to like '98 as friends before we had some issues. Kage's very particular about his image, and I don't think he'd want to be associated with Rogue. Besides, Greenreaper was already removed from AC staff for standing up for himself over issues. =\ I dunno. I'm just saying. Just trying to prevent potential drama. ID: 32564 Original ID: 8849099 From: Dragoneer To: Silver-Seren Title: Hey, uhm... Content: Just an FYI, I read the posts on WYS. Rogue *is* in fact Kagemushi. He and I go way back (when we were on good terms). However, I would nooot advise updating Rogue's Wikifur page with the link to Kage. Given certain other Wikifur admins, linking Rogue to Kage would spark a LOT of drama. It'd be *very* bad juju. But I can confirm they are, and always have been, the same person. ID: 100645 Original ID: 8534806 From: Synwolf To: Silver-Seren Title: RE: RE: T.A.M Membership Content: I'm actually quite opposed to their hypocritical bullshit. =P T.A.M believes that getting the job done and taking this asshole down is more important than starting petty comment wars and flaming artists that draw for him. It distracts from the important work of collecting evidence with which to file reports and gives naysayers fuel to use against us. They can't accuse us of being hypocrites if we don't start drama. Simple as that. ^_^ But you're welcome to do what you please in any manner that suits your fancy ... just as long as you don't try and associate it with T.A.M. =3 ID: 100647 Original ID: 8533277 From: Synwolf To: Silver-Seren Title: T.A.M Membership Content: All that's required to be a member of T.A.M is the following: 1) Never say anything on a commission bought by Allan submitted on FA except the following comment: "Thank you for assisting in our investigation. -- T.A.M; The Anti-Allan Movement" 2) Never comment to ANY Allan supporter with anything OTHER than "Thank you for your input [insert happy smiley/emote here]." Why? Because the mission of T.A.M is peaceful defiance. T.A.M wants only to collect as much evidence against Allan as possible that can be reported to the proper authorities. T.A.M does not partake in drama--it OBSERVES drama. It informs the masses that T.A.M is ALWAYS vigilant. But T.A.M never confronts. T.A.M never accuses. T.A.M merely watches and strengthens the arsenal against Allan--one commission/journal/tweet at a time. The purpose of T.A.M is to prove that action can be taken to END the drama that is Allan--not fuel it. Anyone caught operating under the membership of T.A.M while defying its founding principles WILL be ostracized from the organization. It's not an act of hatred or anger--it's the only way to preserve the integrity of the Movement. Long Live T.A.M! -- Synhowl -- Queen/President of The Anti-Allan Movement (T.A.M)