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	"'''Some argue''' ~~[that]"~~ is [[Wikipedese]] for "I think". It is a convenient way to bypass [[NPOV]] on [[Wikipedia]]. These are also known as "[[yiffing\|weasel words]]". This is a favorite tactic of [[Faux News]].		'''Some argue''' is [[Wikipedese]] for "I think". It is a convenient way to bypass [[NPOV]] on [[Wikipedia]]. These are also known as "[[yiffing\|weasel words]]". This is a favorite tactic of [[Faux News]].

	~~[[tl;dr\|~~Improper usage of weasel words can backfire, causing a "fact" to be as null and void as if someone were to say "in my opinion," inevitably causing your argument to be dismissed and looked at as speculation, which is not a appreciated in forums of discerning fact rather than opinion. In the event you were to be discovered using "some argue that," the opposing debator can shut you down with one word: "sauce?"]].		Improper usage of weasel words can backfire, causing a "fact" to be as null and void as if someone were to say "in my opinion," inevitably causing your argument to be dismissed and looked at as speculation, which is not a appreciated in forums of discerning fact rather than opinion. In the event you were to be discovered using "some argue that," the opposing debator can shut you down with one word: "sauce?".

	[[Image:Some_say.jpg\|thumb~~\|195px~~\|Some say this is the last thing you see when you die...]]		[[Image:Some_say.jpg\|thumb\|Some say this is the last thing you see when you die...]]
			[[Image:A VERY SPLENDID PICTURE.jpg\|thumb\|...others argue that [[Encyclopediadramatica\|Encyclopædia Dramatica]] is full of irrelevant [[porn]]ography images. [[Lie\|Obviously not true.]]]]
	[[Image:A VERY SPLENDID PICTURE.jpg\|thumb~~\|195px~~\|...others argue that [[Encyclopediadramatica\|Encyclopædia Dramatica]] is full of irrelevant [[porn]]ography images. [[Lie\|Obviously not true.]]]]		[[Image:Tkgd2007 Weasel words.png\|thumb\|[[User:Schnookums\|Some]] argue that weasels are cute...]]
			[[Image:World_map.jpg\|thumb\|[[Lesbian\|...others argue that the planet is woman shaped.]]]]
	[[Image:Tkgd2007 Weasel words.png\|thumb~~\|195px~~\|[[~~Furry~~\|Some]] argue that weasels are cute...]]		[[File:Weasel words on my wiki.png\|thumb\|280px\|We must purge all Wikis from [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Unsupported attributions Weasel Words]]!]]

	[[Image:World_map.jpg\|thumb~~\|195px~~\|[[Lesbian\|...others argue that the planet is woman shaped.]]]]

	[[File:Weasel words on my wiki.png~~\|300px~~\|thumb\|~~right~~\|We must purge all Wikis from [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Wikipedia:~~Manual_of_Style~~/~~Words_to_watch~~#~~Unsupported_attributions~~ Weasel Words!]]]

	== The Subtle Difference ==		== The Subtle Difference ==

	* '''[[POV]]''': ''[[George W. Bush]] is a fucking [[asshole]]''		* '''[[POV]]''': ''[[George W. Bush]] is a fucking [[asshole]].''
	* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that George W. Bush is a fucking asshole''		* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that George W. Bush is a fucking asshole.''

	* '''POV''': ''SAILOR MOON RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!1111111 LOLOLOLOLOL''		* '''POV''': ''SAILOR MOON RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!1111111 LOLOLOLOLOL''
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	* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that the Jews secretly bred Natalie Portman as a half-breed Jewish princess to rule planet Earth under the reign of our Illuminati reptile masters from planet Vulcan, using the Jedi powers she gained from having sex with Darth Vader.''		* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that the Jews secretly bred Natalie Portman as a half-breed Jewish princess to rule planet Earth under the reign of our Illuminati reptile masters from planet Vulcan, using the Jedi powers she gained from having sex with Darth Vader.''

			*'''POV''': [[Jews did WTC]]
	* '''NPOV''': [[Jews did WTC]]		* '''NPOV''': [[Jews did WTC]]
	* '''Fact''': [[Jews did WTC]]		* '''Fact''': [[Jews did WTC]]
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	* '''NPOV''': "Some argue that [[you]] are a cocksucker."		* '''NPOV''': "Some argue that [[you]] are a cocksucker."

	==The "some argue" experience==		== The "some argue" experience ==
	See it for yourself via Google: https://encrypted.google.com/~~search?~~q=site:wikipedia.org%~~20some~~%~~20argue~~
			See it for yourself via Google: https://encrypted.google.com/#q=site:wikipedia.org+%22some+argue%22

	Real search results as of October 17, 2005:		Real search results as of October 17, 2005:
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	# Some argue that a reading of the first two chapters of Genesis produces the impression of two separate accounts of the same event.		# Some argue that a reading of the first two chapters of Genesis produces the impression of two separate accounts of the same event.

	In conclusion, as Wikipedia itself puts it, [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Wikipedia#Reliability some argue that allowing anyone to edit makes Wikipedia an unreliable work], or more simply some argue that Wikipedia sux.		In conclusion, as Wikipedia itself puts it, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia#Reliability\|some argue that allowing anyone to edit makes Wikipedia an unreliable work]], or more simply some argue that Wikipedia sux.

	'''NOTE:''' "Some Argue" should not be confused with [[French]] Dadaist poet Sam Argeu.		'''NOTE:''' "Some Argue" should not be confused with [[French]] Dadaist poet Sam Argeu.

	==Variations==		== Variations ==

	Variations on the "some argue" concept can be used to insert an entire [[flame wars\|flamewar]] into the article. Here are some important words to remember when conducting a flamewar inside an article, to keep it NPOV:		Variations on the "some argue" concept can be used to insert an entire [[flame wars\|flamewar]] into the article. Here are some important words to remember when conducting a flamewar inside an article, to keep it NPOV:

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	** The vast majority think		** The vast majority think
	** A small minority holds		** A small minority holds
	** It turns out that (a personal favorite of renowned author [[Douglas Adams]])		** It turns out that (a personal favorite of renowned author Douglas Adams)
	* '''Key words and phrases'''		* '''Key words and phrases'''
	** However; although; but		** However; although; but
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	:Proponents of the '''water is wet''' [[cult\|doctrine]] or concept claim that their [[religion\|belief]] is correct,<sup>[1]</sup> however, critics point out that the vast majority of the doctrine is false.<sup>[2]</sup> Critics note that their claim suffers from [[circular logic]], and accuse proponents of using [[ad hominem]] to further their argument.<sup>[3]</sup> Believers often lash out aggressively at those who point out that water is, in fact, dry. "Wet" water is often an assumed position, by definition,<sup>[4]</sup> and therefore critics argue the proponent's argument is flawed, in definitional terms.<sup>[2]</sup> [[Drug#Methamphetamine\|Ice]], for example, is one of the 15 known crystalline phases of water<sup>[1]</sup> which, at -204°C, is often described as dry at that temperature.<sup>[5]</sup> As a result, proponents of the "water is wet" dogma are seen by some as ill-informed on the nature of water.<sup>[6]</sup> The main proponents of this dogma work in water-related industry,<sup>[7]</sup> leading some to believe that the water is wet concept is more likely [[propaganda]].<sup>[8]</sup>		:Proponents of the '''water is wet''' [[cult\|doctrine]] or concept claim that their [[religion\|belief]] is correct,<sup>[1]</sup> however, critics point out that the vast majority of the doctrine is false.<sup>[2]</sup> Critics note that their claim suffers from [[circular logic]], and accuse proponents of using [[ad hominem]] to further their argument.<sup>[3]</sup> Believers often lash out aggressively at those who point out that water is, in fact, dry. "Wet" water is often an assumed position, by definition,<sup>[4]</sup> and therefore critics argue the proponent's argument is flawed, in definitional terms.<sup>[2]</sup> [[Drug#Methamphetamine\|Ice]], for example, is one of the 15 known crystalline phases of water<sup>[1]</sup> which, at -204°C, is often described as dry at that temperature.<sup>[5]</sup> As a result, proponents of the "water is wet" dogma are seen by some as ill-informed on the nature of water.<sup>[6]</sup> The main proponents of this dogma work in water-related industry,<sup>[7]</sup> leading some to believe that the water is wet concept is more likely [[propaganda]].<sup>[8]</sup>

	==Not To Be Confused With==		== Not To Be Confused With ==

	*[[The Stig\|Some Say]]		* [[The Stig\|Some Say]]

	== External Links ==		== External Links ==
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	* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words\|Wikipedia's own suggestions of weasel words to use]]		* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words\|Wikipedia's own suggestions of weasel words to use]]
	* [[Wikipedia:User:Einsidler/Some_argue\|Wikipedia-ready '''Some argue''' article]]		* [[Wikipedia:User:Einsidler/Some_argue\|Wikipedia-ready '''Some argue''' article]]


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"'''Some argue''' [that]" is [[Wikipedese]] for "I think". It is a convenient way to bypass [[NPOV]] on [[Wikipedia]]. These are also known as "[[yiffing|weasel words]]". This is a favorite tactic of [[Faux News]].

[[tl;dr|Improper usage of weasel words can backfire, causing a "fact" to be as null and void as if someone were to say "in my opinion," inevitably causing your argument to be dismissed and looked at as speculation, which is not a appreciated in forums of discerning fact rather than opinion. In the event you were to be discovered using "some argue that," the opposing debator can shut you down with one word: "sauce?"]].

[[Image:Some_say.jpg|thumb|195px|Some say this is the last thing you see when you die...]]

[[Image:A VERY SPLENDID PICTURE.jpg|thumb|195px|...others argue that [[Encyclopediadramatica|Encyclopædia Dramatica]] is full of irrelevant [[porn]]ography images. [[Lie|Obviously not true.]]]]

[[Image:Tkgd2007 Weasel words.png|thumb|195px|[[Furry|Some]] argue that weasels are cute...]]

[[Image:World_map.jpg|thumb|195px|[[Lesbian|...others argue that the planet is woman shaped.]]]]

[[File:Weasel words on my wiki.png|300px|thumb|right|We must purge all Wikis from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions Weasel Words!]]]

== The Subtle Difference ==

* '''[[POV]]''': ''[[George W. Bush]] is a fucking [[asshole]]''
* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that George W. Bush is a fucking asshole''

* '''POV''': ''SAILOR MOON RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!1111111 LOLOLOLOLOL''
* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that SAILOR MOON RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!1111111 LOLOLOLOLOL''

* '''POV''': ''The [[Jews]] secretly bred [[Natalie Portman]] as a half-breed Jewish princess to rule planet Earth under the reign of our [[Illuminati]] [[reptilian|reptile]] masters from planet Vulcan, using the [[Jedi]] powers she gained from having [[sex]] with Darth Vader.''
* '''NPOV''': ''Some argue that the Jews secretly bred Natalie Portman as a half-breed Jewish princess to rule planet Earth under the reign of our Illuminati reptile masters from planet Vulcan, using the Jedi powers she gained from having sex with Darth Vader.''

* '''NPOV''': [[Jews did WTC]]
* '''Fact''': [[Jews did WTC]]

* '''POV''': "[[You]] are a cocksucker."
* '''NPOV''': "Some argue that [[you]] are a cocksucker."

==The "some argue" experience==
See it for yourself via Google: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=site:wikipedia.org%20some%20argue

Real search results as of October 17, 2005:
# Some argue that a more appropriate standard should be fairness and accuracy.
# Some would argue that humans have an amount of hubris.
# Some argue that hate speech must be regulated to protect members of groups.
# Some argue that small gardens and greenhouses should be favored.
# Some argue that anti-LGBT prejudice is immoral or unwise above and beyond the effects on that class of people.
# Some people would argue that the movement is too closely related to communism.
# Some argue that even terrorism has undergone globalization.
# Some argue that this is an advantage.
# Some argue that those who set up access points without adding security measures are offering their connection, sometimes unintentionally, to the community.
# Some argue that a reading of the first two chapters of Genesis produces the impression of two separate accounts of the same event.

In conclusion, as Wikipedia itself puts it, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia#Reliability some argue that allowing anyone to edit makes Wikipedia an unreliable work], or more simply some argue that Wikipedia sux.

'''NOTE:''' "Some Argue" should not be confused with [[French]] Dadaist poet Sam Argeu.

==Variations==
Variations on the "some argue" concept can be used to insert an entire [[flame wars|flamewar]] into the article. Here are some important words to remember when conducting a flamewar inside an article, to keep it NPOV:

* '''Synonyms'''
** Purportedly
** Presumably
** Arguably
** Some suggest (or claim, posit, feel, think, believe, hold, et cetera)
* '''Alternatives for some'''
** Many people feel
** Critics say
** Proponents/opponents believe
** Research suggests
** The vast majority think
** A small minority holds
** It turns out that (a personal favorite of renowned author [[Douglas Adams]])
* '''Key words and phrases'''
** However; although; but
** It should be noted that
** [[Logic|If... then; therefore; as a result]]

These can be readily interspersed with other ideas, for example, if you wanted to [[troll]] people by saying "Actually, water is dry," you might come up with something like [[TL;DR|this]] to put in your NPOV article:

:Proponents of the '''water is wet''' [[cult|doctrine]] or concept claim that their [[religion|belief]] is correct,[1] however, critics point out that the vast majority of the doctrine is false.[2] Critics note that their claim suffers from [[circular logic]], and accuse proponents of using [[ad hominem]] to further their argument.[3] Believers often lash out aggressively at those who point out that water is, in fact, dry. "Wet" water is often an assumed position, by definition,[4] and therefore critics argue the proponent's argument is flawed, in definitional terms.[2] [[Drug#Methamphetamine|Ice]], for example, is one of the 15 known crystalline phases of water[1] which, at -204°C, is often described as dry at that temperature.[5] As a result, proponents of the "water is wet" dogma are seen by some as ill-informed on the nature of water.[6] The main proponents of this dogma work in water-related industry,[7] leading some to believe that the water is wet concept is more likely [[propaganda]].[8]

==Not To Be Confused With==

*[[The Stig|Some Say]]

== External Links ==

* [[Wikipedia:User:Daniel_Quinlan/gaming|How to play Wikipedia (Gaming the system)]]
* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words|Wikipedia's own suggestions of weasel words to use]]
* [[Wikipedia:User:Einsidler/Some_argue|Wikipedia-ready '''Some argue''' article]]

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