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Fleacollerindustry: /* Videos */

2025-07-17T02:12:32Z

Videos

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	<youtube>4dka29FSZac</youtube>Submarine expert explains why OceanGate's sub sucked. \|		<youtube>4dka29FSZac</youtube>Submarine expert explains why OceanGate's sub sucked. \|
	<youtube>CW7bHE-AKGE</youtube>OceanGate whistleblower told everyone the sub sucked, but no one wanted to listen.		<youtube>CW7bHE-AKGE</youtube>OceanGate whistleblower told everyone the sub sucked, but no one wanted to listen.\|
			<youtube>fOAqcn87TKU</youtube>Using the ‘spare’ controller
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Fleacollerindustry: /* So How Did It Break? */

2024-10-12T00:03:10Z

So How Did It Break?

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	[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the designer—Stockton Rush—was an idiot who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics, and also surrounded himself with yesmen. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:		[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the designer—Stockton Rush—was an idiot who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics, and also surrounded himself with yesmen. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:
	* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for the Titan, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.		* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for the Titan, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.
	* ignoring the warning sensors: the Titan was built with a number of acoustic and strain sensors to tell the occupants that "hey, something cracked/flexed and it might not be a good thing!". In fact, on dive 80 there was a HUGE pop that everyone heard. What was Stockton's response? "Awww it'll be fine!" and promptly ignored. He ignored the thing was was installed to WARN HIM ABOUT PROBLEMS		* ignoring the warning sensors: the Titan was built with a number of acoustic and strain sensors to tell the occupants that "hey, something cracked/flexed and it might not be a good thing!". In fact, on dive 80 there was a HUGE pop that everyone heard. What was Stockton's response? ''"Awww it'll be fine!"'' and promptly ignored it. He ignored the thing was was installed to WARN HIM ABOUT PROBLEMS
	* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.		* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.
	* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.		* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.

Fleacollerindustry: /* So How Did It Break? */

2024-10-12T00:02:00Z

So How Did It Break?

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	[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the designer—Stockton Rush—was an idiot who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics, and also surrounded himself with yesmen. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:		[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the designer—Stockton Rush—was an idiot who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics, and also surrounded himself with yesmen. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:
	* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for the Titan, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.		* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for the Titan, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.
			* ignoring the warning sensors: the Titan was built with a number of acoustic and strain sensors to tell the occupants that "hey, something cracked/flexed and it might not be a good thing!". In fact, on dive 80 there was a HUGE pop that everyone heard. What was Stockton's response? "Awww it'll be fine!" and promptly ignored. He ignored the thing was was installed to WARN HIM ABOUT PROBLEMS
	* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.		* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.
	* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.		* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.
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	* don't use subpar materials during construction		* don't use subpar materials during construction
	* don't build your sub using multiple parts and instead make it out of a single piece		* don't build your sub using multiple parts and instead make it out of a single piece
			* don't ignore the warning sensors you installed to warn you that something bad just happened
	* don't assume that "it survived this time, it'll survive the next one!" and instead actually inspect the sub after each dive		* don't assume that "it survived this time, it'll survive the next one!" and instead actually inspect the sub after each dive
	* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus		* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus

Fleacollerindustry: /* So How Did It Break? */

2024-10-07T22:52:27Z

So How Did It Break?

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	==So How Did It Break?==		==So How Did It Break?==
	[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the ~~designers were idiots~~ who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:		{{Quote\|I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.\|Stockton Rush, and man who is still alive today because of the rules he safely broken.}}
	* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for ~~OceanGate~~, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.		{{Quote\|I think it was General MacArthur who said ''"you're remembered for the rules you break"'' and you know I've broken some rules to make to make [the Titan submersible] but I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me.\|Stockton Rush, a man who will be remembered for the rules he broke.}}

			[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the designer—Stockton Rush—was an idiot who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics, and also surrounded himself with yesmen. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:
			* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for the Titan, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.
	* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.		* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.
	* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.		* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.
			* another serious factor in its eventual demise is the fact that it was designed NOT as a single piece, but one that mixed different materials together, and thus have different elastic deformation rates under uniform compression. In other words: making a submarine that is half-titanium and half-carbon fiber is about as effective as if it was half-titanium and half-cake.
	* other contributing factors include:		* other contributing factors include:
	** the type of adhesive used to bond the titanium and carbon fiber sections		** the type of adhesive used to bond the titanium and carbon fiber sections
	** issues with how the carbon fiber itself was manufactured and tested		** issues with how the carbon fiber itself was manufactured and tested
	** other subpar materials and procedures might have been involved during construction		** other subpar materials and procedures might have been involved during construction
			** naming the submersible "Titan", the latest in a line of ships of the same/similar name known for their ability to survive the test of time, designed by people who had absolutely no hubris whatsoever.
	** oh, and firing the one guy at your company who was sounding the alarm that things kinda suck and might be dangerous		** oh, and firing the one guy at your company who was sounding the alarm that things kinda suck and might be dangerous

			In October 2024, footage from the recovery of the OceanGate Titan submersible was finally released, and it proved everything we knew about it: it sank.

			<center><gallery widths="200">
			File:OceanGate-2024 wreckage1.jpg\|the pointy back end survived, so that's a plus
			File:OceanGate-2024 wreckage2.jpg\|close up of the pointy back thing
			File:OceanGate-2024 wreckage3.jpg\|detail of the main submersible; the top of the submersible is facing towards the seafloor, and the port-side is facing the camera
			File:OceanGate-2024 debris field.jpg\|debris field is 1600 chad freedom units (or about 500 virgin meters) away from the Titanic
			</gallery></center>

			At least the titanium hemispheres survived... maybe use them next time?

	So if you want to start up YOUR own Titanic-bound submersible company and actually survive a trip down:		So if you want to start up YOUR own Titanic-bound submersible company and actually survive a trip down:
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	* don't assume that "it survived this time, it'll survive the next one!" and instead actually inspect the sub after each dive		* don't assume that "it survived this time, it'll survive the next one!" and instead actually inspect the sub after each dive
	* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus		* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus
			* don't name your ship after the Titanic

	==Now What?==		==Now What?==

Fleacollerindustry: /* So How Did It Break? */

2024-10-07T20:58:15Z

So How Did It Break?

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	So if you want to start up YOUR own Titanic-bound submersible company and actually survive a trip down:		So if you want to start up YOUR own Titanic-bound submersible company and actually survive a trip down:
	* don't use carbon fiber		* don't use carbon fiber
	* don't ~~make is into~~ a ~~cylindrical shape~~		* don't design the sub as a cylinder
	* don't use subpar materials during construction		* don't use subpar materials during construction
			* don't build your sub using multiple parts and instead make it out of a single piece
			* don't assume that "it survived this time, it'll survive the next one!" and instead actually inspect the sub after each dive
	* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus		* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus

Fleacollerindustry: /* Gallery */

2024-10-07T20:54:56Z

Gallery

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	This was effectively one step above literally going to Lowes and getting some metal garbage cans and duct tape, then wrapping up the cans with the tape.		This was effectively one step above literally going to Lowes and getting some metal garbage cans and duct tape, then wrapping up the cans with the tape.

			==So How Did It Break?==
			[[File:OceanGate-disaster waiting to happen.png\|thumb\|350px\|right\|Oooof]]Simple: the designers were idiots who thought they could outsmart the laws of physics. But if you want to get into the nitty gritty of it:
			* the use of Carbon fiber in-and-of-itself ultimately doomed it. Carbon fiber is useful to CONTAIN a larger pressure inside from a weaker pressure outside. It's awful the otherway around. And specifically for OceanGate, it ended up being the point of failure as it was subjected to fatigue and micro-cracks after repeatedly subjecting it to extreme pressures. Even Starbucks baristas can handle pressure better than that sub.
			* the precise point of failure ultimately came from the front end of sub—around the interface between the titanium hemispheres and the carbon fiber hull—as the hull fractured and pushed the front half towards the back, all due to the aforementioned fatigue and micro-cracks. Proof once again that crack kills.
			* as one might guess, the implosion occured almost instantaneously, ensuring everyone got turned into pink mist before they realized they were pink mist.
			* other contributing factors include:
			** the type of adhesive used to bond the titanium and carbon fiber sections
			** issues with how the carbon fiber itself was manufactured and tested
			** other subpar materials and procedures might have been involved during construction
			** oh, and firing the one guy at your company who was sounding the alarm that things kinda suck and might be dangerous

			So if you want to start up YOUR own Titanic-bound submersible company and actually survive a trip down:
			* don't use carbon fiber
			* don't make is into a cylindrical shape
			* don't use subpar materials during construction
			* don't fire the guy who is warning you that shit's sus

			==Now What?==
			[[File:OceanGate-ceased operations.jpg\|thumb\|350px\|center\|Dang it, I was hoping to use them to visit the Titanic next year!]]Well, OceanGate is basically sitting and waiting for the unisex hammer of justice to drop on them.

	==Gallery==		==Gallery==

YaroslavTV +1: it's genuinely happening again

2024-07-28T12:17:31Z

it's genuinely happening again

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			{{spoiler\|text=They've learned nothing from that incident and are doing it all over again}}
	[[File:OceanGate-submarine_starter_pack.jpg\|thumb]]		[[File:OceanGate-submarine_starter_pack.jpg\|thumb]]

YaroslavTV: Reverted edit by YaroslavTV +1 (talk) to last revision by imported>Fleacollerindustry2

2024-07-28T11:42:33Z

Reverted edit by YaroslavTV +1 (talk) to last revision by [[User:imported>Fleacollerindustry2|imported>Fleacollerindustry2]]

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	~~{{spoiler\|text=They've learned nothing from that incident and are doing it all over again}}~~
	[[File:OceanGate-submarine_starter_pack.jpg\|thumb]]		[[File:OceanGate-submarine_starter_pack.jpg\|thumb]]

YaroslavTV +1 at 09:57, 28 July 2024

2024-07-28T09:57:01Z

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			{{spoiler\|text=They've learned nothing from that incident and are doing it all over again}}
	[[File:OceanGate-submarine_starter_pack.jpg\|thumb]]		[[File:OceanGate-submarine_starter_pack.jpg\|thumb]]

imported>Fleacollerindustry2 at 15:49, 12 April 2024

2024-04-12T15:49:41Z

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	<youtube>4dka29FSZac</youtube>Submarine expert explains why OceanGate's sub sucked. \|		<youtube>4dka29FSZac</youtube>Submarine expert explains why OceanGate's sub sucked. \|
	<youtube>CW7bHE-AKGE</youtube>OceanGate whistleblower told everyone the sub sucked, but no one wanted to listen.		<youtube>CW7bHE-AKGE</youtube>OceanGate whistleblower told everyone the sub sucked, but no one wanted to listen.\|
			<youtube>fOAqcn87TKU</youtube>Using the ‘spare’ controller
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